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#662302 - 12/21/04 10:48 AM Difference in features. How big factor...  
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o.k. lets' say I have tried pianos I am looking at before I make a decision which one I will end up purchasing. In my case it would be PF500 and YDP223.

Now some of you will say he is comparing apples and pears. But let's say they feel the same to me and they sound similar as well. Forget the portability factor as it's not important to me at all.

What would be the next spec to watch when buying digital piano. Polyphony number could be an example (but maybe it's not that important indicator). Between these two pianos it's 64 against 128, but the problem for me is when do I notice the difference considering I am beginner playing at home and that will not change for years to come (I hope I will step up to intermediate one day of course :-) ...)

If somebody could list in order what should be important features to watch and why, leaving out the subjective ones like sound and keys.

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#662303 - 12/21/04 11:49 AM Re: Difference in features. How big factor...  
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I would choose YDP223.
First, the price difference.
Second, keys action is more realistic and responsive at YDP. More responsive to pressure than PF. It is a point for beginner player if you decided to play acoustic one someday.
Third, Being in faked wood cabinet, YDP has better acoustic element(like your home speakers) compared to PF..which is in plastic case.
Fourth, YDP compliment home decor and setup since it has its own cover and attitude.
Polyphony is not an issue for both machine.
I tried very hard to hear notes drop on YDP223 before and , guess what, never heard one yet. Of course, when 2 people banging on all the keys with sustain pedals on.. maybe. Question is.. how often would you do things like this?
The bottom line is the price. Expensive one has more options and features.
This comparison between Ydp and PF is not really a good one though.It is like comparing Lincoln town car and Crown Victoria.

#662304 - 12/21/04 12:10 PM Re: Difference in features. How big factor...  
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YDP223 is essentially a CLP120, while the PF500 is basically a CLP150 in a contemporary box. That makes it easier to compare the two. They both have the same keyboard so the "key feel" is probably not that different. I think the main difference in sound is PF500 has dynamic sampling while YDP223 doesn't.

IMHO, I think it depends on how much you think you'll progress in a few years. Do you plan to have a beginner piano now, and upgrade to a better one, _if_ and when you can hear the difference, or get a better piano that is less likely to grow out of and be done with it. Each option has its pros and cons. On the other hand, the subtle tonal difference from the dynamic sampling, noticeable as it may be, might not be that important to you down the road.

I think one useful feature for beginners on the PF500 is if you're learning through a textbook with available midi files, you can listen to the files on the piano and hear how a piece is supposed to sound, and try to emulate the "right" sound. It reduces the workload for my teacher on correcting wrong notes and expressions and we can concentrate more on the techniques, etc. You can have YDP223 to play the files through the midi jacks but it's less convenient than if all the pieces are already saved in memory, as in PF500.

Just my humble opinion.

#662305 - 12/21/04 01:03 PM Re: Difference in features. How big factor...  
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if you spend about the same amount of money for either, then choose the best you can buy - PF500 in this case. the funiture look is not important on a digital, although both look fine to me, but the feel and features are important. i pretty much like the key action on PF500, and feel even better to play on an accoustic piano after playing PF500 for a while. i wouldn't hesitate to get a PF500 if i were you.

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#662306 - 12/21/04 01:20 PM Re: Difference in features. How big factor...  
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mxs,

Not necessarily in order of importance:

1) Keyboard feel (Both are GH and use the exact same mechanism)

2) Quality of samples (layers, size, looping, compression, etc.). (Definately better on the PF500)

3) Polyphony (especially important as you begin to layer sounds such as piano and strings) Definately better on the PF500

4) Amplification and Speakers (Better on the PF500)

5) Number of preset voices (PF500 has the entire XG sound set so better again)

6) Computer connectivity (Both have MIDI jacks but the PF500 also offers USB for easier connectivity)

7) Internal sequencer for recording your performances (2 Tracks on the YDP223 and 16 tracks on PF500. 2 tracks are enough for solo piano but if you layer instruments or perform pieces for 4 hands then PF500 winds hands down.)

8) Quantity/Quality of effects to modify the sounds to your liking. (You guessed it.... PF500 wins again.)

Both are fine instruments, but the PF500 is heads and shoulders above the YDP-223.

Hope this helps,

Rodney

#662307 - 12/22/04 07:35 AM Re: Difference in features. How big factor...  
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Thanks to all of you for great opinions. Everybody seems to add a different angle to the discussion.

I will admit that I do like the cabinet styling of YDP much better. This seems to be the only advantage of YDP. I also thought that thanks to the cabinet styling I would get better amplification and sound depth out of YDP. Is that the case or will PF eventhough not in fully encased wood cabinet still produce a better amplification?

What if I am willing to look outside of Yamaha window. Is there a piano for the same money (or less :-)) as PF500, but in full cabinet styling. Casio is out of question........

Thanks again

#662308 - 12/22/04 07:36 AM Re: Difference in features. How big factor...  
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Thanks to all of you for great opinions. Everybody seems to add a different angle to the discussion.

I will admit that I do like the cabinet styling of YDP much better. This seems to be the only advantage of YDP. I also thought that thanks to the cabinet styling I would get better amplification and sound depth out of YDP. Is that the case or will PF eventhough not in fully encased wood cabinet still produce a better amplification?

What if I am willing to look outside the Yamaha window. Is there a piano for the same money (or less :-)) as PF500(the same class, similar features), but in full cabinet styling. Casio is out of question........

Thanks again


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