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#655635 - 09/02/02 06:06 PM Loud and Proud
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Loc: New York
An interesting bit I found on the web about the increasing loudness of the modern orchestra:

"Orchestras have become much, much louder since the 18th century. And the process has gathered pace dramatically since the Second World War. We have reached the point where brass instruments exceed permitted industrial noise levels. Orchestral players are advised, or instructed, to wear earplugs, and with good reason. Musicians are being deafened by music....According to a leaflet issued by the BBC to its orchestral players, damage to hearing "can occur at levels as low as 80db(A) [ decibels] if sustained throughout the working day, on a regular basis ... for a programme including Bruckner Symphony No 5, a particularly high exposure of 94.2dB(A) was recorded". When 90 decibels is exceeded "the BBC is required to ensure that hearing protection is worn and the employee is obliged to co-operate".

For those interested the full essay is Here

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#655636 - 09/02/02 09:54 PM Re: Loud and Proud
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Thank you for pointing out this interesting issue. I have always been very sensitive to overly loud noise and carry earplugs most places I fear I may need them. I have mild tinnitus in one ear but I'm quite certain it resulted from a particularly bad dose of influenza and not from exposure to noise.

I wonder if any of the older forum members have noise related hearing problems and, if so, how did they acquire them ?
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#655637 - 09/03/02 01:31 AM Re: Loud and Proud
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I grew up in bands then orchestras and have literally thousands of hours sitting in rehearsal halls and concert stages playing French Horn. Usually we sit behind the woodwinds and in front of either the percussion or trumpets or trombones. I have intermittant tinnitus, and am quite certain that is the cause. On the positive side you havn't really "felt" music till you've played in the brass section during R Strauss, or Wagner, or Mahler, or been onstage in front of the brass and pipe organ during Saint Saens Organ Symphony. When you are young powerful stupid and studly you don't care about ear plugs.



#655638 - 09/03/02 12:16 PM Re: Loud and Proud
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Originally posted by SR:
When you are young powerful stupid and studly you don't care about ear plugs.[/b]
:D \:D \:D

I wear ear plugs to sleep. My husband's snores rival the entire brass section in a modern orchestra! \:D

#655639 - 09/03/02 02:26 PM Re: Loud and Proud
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Loc: San Diego
I think it's the result of a spillover from the over-amplification which has spread like a pandemic through the theater and musical theater. An entire generation of actors has come of age ignorant of one of the basic abc's of the craft: how to project one's voice to the back of the theater. Amplification is used as a substitute, often to the level of pain.

As a result, you can't get the attention of the average audience without screaming at them. And so orchestras must play louder, too, since that is what their audiences have become accustomed to.

Take my advice: buy the stock of hearing aid manufacturers. It's a growth industry. GenX'ers will be stone deaf by the time they hit 50.

#655640 - 09/03/02 03:46 PM Re: Loud and Proud
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I played in Rock & Roll bands in the late 60's thru the 70's. Then I put in a few years around heavy machinery (offshore lobster boats, tugboats, cross-country trucking) before I settled back into quieter music and computers.

Now I have to sleep with a fan running to drown out some of the ringing in my ears :-(

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#655641 - 09/04/02 07:53 AM Re: Loud and Proud
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Better to light one small candle than to curse the %&#$@#! darkness.

#655642 - 09/30/02 07:48 PM Re: Loud and Proud
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I've been playing the violin for 4 years, and yes... it is VERY difficult! I'm sort of strange though, because I don't use shoulder support, such as a shoulder rest. Where as it's most common to have shoulder support, a few great violinists don't use shoulder rests. But, the violin is hard, especially shifting, hitting the notes fast enough and at good timing with the bow. It's also hard to get a really strong, beautiful sound with the violin. (such as you can play a score perfectly note-wise, but the beautiful and strong sound isn't there). The guitar in comparison to the violin is much easier, and the piano is easier too, I believe.
I use a Roland KR-277 Digital Piano and I just love it!

#655643 - 09/30/02 07:50 PM Re: Loud and Proud
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Sorry, for some reason it put it in the wrong post.
I use a Roland KR-277 Digital Piano and I just love it!


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