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Removing Keyboard Lid #631042
12/24/08 11:40 PM
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Hey guys,

Do any of you know how to remove the piano keylid cover that goes over the keys, on a Steinway L? A small pen fell inside and I have been afraid to play it since.

Thanks and Merry Christmas.

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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631043
12/25/08 12:15 AM
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Get a tech. Steinway is a little more complicated than other makes of piano.


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631044
12/25/08 01:05 AM
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Curry has the right answer but...

If you're feeling brave...

There are 2 large screws underneath the cheekblocks (the pieces on either side of the keyboard) you have to access them from underneath the keyboard. Once those are out you may be able to remove the keylid (key cover) cheekblocks, and keyslip (the strip in front of the keys) as an entire unit. You may have to nudge up on the front of the cheeks to get them loose.

You may have to remove the key slip separately. It's not screwed in you just need to push it straight up to get it off of the cheek blocks.

An important concept is keeping the key cover balanced and level. The cheek blocks hang off the sides of the key cover.

Getting it back in is often trickier than getting it out. (it seems to be a law of the universe.)It is necessary to keep the cheeks attached to the sides of the key cover while getting the whole thing back into place. It will probably help to have another person help you. (or it may not if the person works against you!)

It will be easier to get back in if the action has not moved at all from its place of rest. So don't push on the left pedal or move the action out of its position while the cheeks are out. Otherwise put the cheeks back into position without the key cover to reposition the action. then put the cheeks back on the key cover and try to get it in.

The main danger is marring the finish on the sides of the piano on either side of the key cover. You could try masking it off as a bit of insurance.

Don't say we didn't warn you!


Ryan Sowers,
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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631045
12/25/08 01:28 AM
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The main danger is dropping one of the cheek blocks. There are 8 corners on a cheek block. Murphys law says 90% of the time it will land on one of the corners that is the most visible.

Tie a large cotton fluff ball onto your pens with a piece of yarn. The fluff ball stays up top so you can fish them out


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631046
12/25/08 04:47 AM
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Keith,

How true, how true! I just did this the other day. [Linked Image]
(Although it was on a Baldwin not a Steinway, and luckily it was in an associate's shop and not in the customer's house!)


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631047
12/25/08 04:08 PM
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Now that's one thing, Steinway could change. Screw then darned cheek blocks in.


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631048
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Quote
Originally posted by Jerry Groot RPT:
Now that's one thing, Steinway could change. Screw then darned cheek blocks in.
Maybe the ones I have been in contact with were aberrations, but every single one (of the hundreds) I have seen had the cheek blocks screwed in, Jer. wink

Hope you are having a good Christmas...

Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631049
12/25/08 05:14 PM
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Something tells me he meant screwed into the fallboard laugh
In that I do this ten times a day,I too am always paranoid of that soaring cheekblock on concrete,tile or hard wood floors. You learn your lesson when you have to bondo and refinish a cheekblock from a freshly refinished piano. The odds are againest you as for damage assessment.I always lay that packing blanket down no matter what.Some have that wide wingspan,unfortunately
I don't.If the whole frame can come out intact with the keyslip attached,no problem. If not..well
Upon installation back in the piano one can actually put the bass end cheekblock and the attached fallboard in almost all the way and than attach the treble end block putting everything in parrallel from there. I can only imagine you guys pulling the fallboard and this happens in the customer's home while the client observes this while sitting on the couch. frown


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631050
12/25/08 06:17 PM
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Pianobroker is right, that's what I meant.


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631051
12/25/08 06:25 PM
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Early Mason & Hamlins have the same hinges, but they wised up sometime around WWI and made them wider. Baldwins are the worst.

I have this theory that the better the piano, the more the manufacturer wanted them to be serviced, so there are fewer screws to remove to take out the action. The record I have seen are some Bösendorfers, which have only one screw to remove the action. Of course, some of those have Viennese actions, which are treacherous to replace! Anyway, screwing the cheek blocks to the fallboard is a couple more screws to remove for service.


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631052
12/25/08 09:14 PM
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Yeah but, at least they won't fall on your foot. wink


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631053
12/26/08 12:37 AM
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I think BDB is onto it. There are many procedures that require the fallboard out but the cheek blocks in, such as the various steps in regulation and voicing.

In very many high-profile situations, the frequent tuning almost always includes checking the hammers for spacing, mating to the strings, and fine filing and voicing, etc. For this kind of work, not having the cheek blocks screwed to the fallboard is not only convenient and practical - it is sensible.

Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631054
12/26/08 07:48 PM
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So here is the question: Where is the single screw on the Bösendorfer? How is the action held in?


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631055
12/26/08 10:58 PM
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Don't know, but how about a capstan type screw from the top of the stack to the bottom of the pinblock. Wild guess!
You know new Hamburg Steinways have a flexible metal clip/spring which attaches the cheekblocks to the fallboard.


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631056
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Isn't that shipping screw? The capstan from the hammer rail to the pinblock. Seem as it would interfere or make noise with the unicorda movement.

Also I have seen a capstan in the bottom of the keybed that looks as if it is a stop adjustment for the sustain pedal but it is never adjusted.


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631057
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That screw is a shipping screw. When someone from Yamaha replaced some early Ivorite keytops on a C3 I service, she removed it.


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Re: Removing Keyboard Lid #631058
12/27/08 10:44 AM
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I love those new slam proof dealies on fall boards. Slip the fall board in and slip it out easily too. Most of the time anyway... wink


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