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Re: The absolute worst piano #626739
02/13/09 08:21 PM
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The aluminum plate Winter spinet gets my vote.


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Re: The absolute worst piano #626740
02/13/09 10:46 PM
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Angola, Indiana USA
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I hadn't really thought about how excessive the inharmonicity is on Kohler and Campbell spinets in particular, until that was mentioned on here sometime back.

Not long after, I had to tune one for a first-time customer. I don't remember why exactly, but I decided to try the SAT III with it. Based on its reading of the K&C's inharmonicity, it calculated C8 to be +60 cents, or maybe a few cents more (can't remember exactly now). That's pretty extreme for the SAT III, but the treble didn't end up sounding wild or excessively sharp.

Jeff


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Re: The absolute worst piano #626741
02/17/09 01:21 PM
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Let's not forget the infamous Kimball La Petite

Re: The absolute worst piano #626742
02/17/09 02:31 PM
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New pianos from Belarus Russia about 10 years ago.
New Nieer pianos back in the early 1980's, some of the first from China.
Some of the lowest end stencil spinets from Aeolian back in the late 1970's.


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Re: The absolute worst piano #626743
02/17/09 05:32 PM
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El Cajon, CA
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Oh yes the La Petite!! I played one at a retirement home my grandma lived in a few years ago. BBBLLLLEEEEEEEECCCCHHHH!!!! I'll take almost ANY spinet over that!!! (preferably a Wurlitzer or Baldwin.)


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Re: The absolute worst piano #626744
02/17/09 07:37 PM
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There were a few worse than a La petite, one was a spinet called the Kimbalette, when you tuned it, it took a few hours and if you tuned the bass and then the treble, the base would go out and vice-versa! As for hing end overtones, my vote would be the Lester Betsey Ross and if you had to do any action work, the plastic elbows were a nightmare, you have no idea how many sets of plastic elbows I've replaced on the Betsey Ross's! Lester made them as an afordable home piano, and I thinks all possible corners were cut in their making!


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Re: The absolute worst piano #626745
02/18/09 01:41 PM
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My first inclination was to say I never met a piano I didn't like but I agree with Lawrie, the Lindner. I've seen a few and if they had broken parts, I just could not do a thing with it. They really should not have been made. I'll tune and service a Kimball anytime, even La Petites and Whitmores. At least they have some redeeming qualities to them. The Lindner had none at all.


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Re: The absolute worst piano #626746
02/18/09 08:36 PM
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I'm not keen on Knights from London. Loose tuning pins and action issues. Today's model had jacks clicking against the un-felted let off rail.




Re: The absolute worst piano #626747
02/18/09 08:43 PM
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Granted I have far less experience than most of you, but my current least-favourite is the Sherlock-Manning console. I've tuned two recently that had no keybed, just like the Lindner that Dan describes (I can hardly wait to meet one of those). I was startled to see the floor between the keys the first time I tuned one.

Second least-favourite is Mason & "Risk" Century II. Erus, we try applying a drop of Protek CLP at the termination point below the tuning pin, but it doesn't always work. I had two break on the last one I tuned, and it wasn't even a very old one. (I have occasionally tuned ones without having bass strings break, and those ones are just fine!)


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Re: The absolute worst piano #626748
02/19/09 12:20 PM
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Thanks, Anne.

Any preferred hammer technique for that situation? Karate-blow styled? Slow steady pull? Simple notch tuning?

Re: The absolute worst piano #626749
02/19/09 02:21 PM
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Hey Erus,

My apologies for missing the question on the last page. Yes Anne is correct, you can lubricate the termination point but often times this will not help much. Too much angle on the string scale is the problem there. Dropping the tension of the string sometimes will help to break to string free, but I have had them snap doing that also. It is really the luck of the draw…… usually with the instrument in question, regular tuning helps a lot. It is mostly when the instrument goes dormant for a length of time and then the sudden changes of tuning. But this can happen with any instrument too. Just the M& R Century II was especially bad for this problem. I don’t see too many of them anymore actually……

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Re: The absolute worst piano #626750
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Thank you.

Re: The absolute worst piano #626751
02/20/09 09:35 AM
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I highly recommend an impact type technique for any pianos with steep angles. Many spinets have them on the lower row of tuning pins in the bass. Impact slightly counterclockwise first, then impact clockwise to raise the pitch. This will move the string most effectively and largely avoid breaking strings.

The strings break and the pitch is unstable because too much tension has been created between the tuning pin and the first termination point. An impact type technique serves to move the entire length of the string at once. A preliminary counterclockwise movement releases the bond at the first termination point.

This is nothing new. Any wise old tuner does it.


Bill Bremmer RPT
Madison WI USA
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