Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!


SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Virtual Sheet Music
Download Sheet Music Instantly
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Sheet Music...
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Modern Piano Moving
Modern Piano Moving
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
Who's Online Now
125 registered members (agraffe, Adam Malone, Adypiano, ando, alexcawley, 36251, 29 invisible), 1,743 guests, and 7 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#626704 - 02/12/08 06:45 PM Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 839
UprightTooner Offline
500 Post Club Member
UprightTooner  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 839
North-East US
Just did a search on tuning hammer head angles and got next to nothing. I'm not looking to change what I have, but was wondering what the advantages of the different angled heads are. Is there more than just clearing the struts? Any opinions?


Part-time tuner
(ad 800)
PTG 2017 Convention
PTG Convention 2017 St Louis
#626705 - 02/12/08 10:37 PM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,491
Bob Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Bob  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,491
Florida
My favorite 5 degree angle with a short 1/2" tip does not clear many struts and even some vertical lids. So, I reluctantly use a tip extension. If you use an extension hammer, have a short tip on one extension, and a longer tip on another extension. It's easy to switch out that way. I prefer the tip angle to be as close to zero as possible for the best control...but thats just me, others may differ.

#626706 - 02/12/08 11:38 PM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 24,929
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BDB  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 24,929
Oakland
You need a greater angle with a shorter tip, but I too prefer less of an angle.


Semipro Tech
#626707 - 02/13/08 12:31 AM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,292
Ron Alexander Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Ron Alexander  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,292
North Carolina
I also use a 5 degree. Right now I am using a
1 1/4 tip on a Jahn Extenion Hammer, but have a
1 5/8 on order which is supposed to arrive tomorrow. I have found that I too have better control with less angle.


-----------------
Ron Alexander
Piano Tuner-Technician
(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#626708 - 02/13/08 12:52 AM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20
Aaron Heppler RPT Offline
Full Member
Aaron Heppler RPT  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20
Montana
I use a 5 degree head whenever I can. I use a 15 degree to clear almost everything else.

I do keep several extentions in my case that I haven't used since that last player.

I feel the pin better with the shortest head possible. I don't notice angle as much.


Aaron Heppler RPT
www.hepplerpiano.com
#626709 - 02/13/08 09:32 AM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 839
UprightTooner Offline
500 Post Club Member
UprightTooner  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 839
North-East US
Thanks all, anyone else?


Part-time tuner
#626710 - 02/13/08 10:04 AM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,539
David Jenson Offline
2000 Post Club Member
David Jenson  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,539
Maine
As a bit of historical curiosity, I use a 10 degree Hale head with a short tip that was one of the last ones made by the machinist in MA who made the hammer parts for the now defunct Tuners Supply in Somerville.

A customer in Cape Elizabeth, ME saw some of my old Hale tools and showed me the milling machine in his basement that made many of the Hale parts. It was a pretty impressive machine; over six feet tall - no CNC stuff on it. It was strictly old-school belt-driven perfection.

I have another hammer with a longer tip to clear grand plate struts.

David


David L. Jenson
Tuning - Repairs - Refurbishing
Jenson's Piano Service
-----
#626711 - 02/13/08 11:25 AM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,458
Cy Shuster, RPT Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Cy Shuster, RPT  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,458
Albuquerque, NM
Renner has some great free technical documents, including a good one on tuning lever design:
See number 8

The angle is measured as the difference from 90 degrees, which would be the perfect angle (a "zero-degree head"). The only reason we don't use zero is so that the handle clears the case on an upright and struts on a grand (especially Mason & Hamlin).

Another way to get clearance is with a longer tip, but you lose the feel of the pin, and it's easier to slip off.

So you choose a combination of head angle and tip that works for you. Schaff still sells a ten-degree head, if you ask, and I've wanted to try it.

They also make a thin-wall extension tip that has an end shaped like a tuning pin, so it fits right into your existing tip without changing heads. It's a fast way to gain extra clearance when needed.

--Cy--


Cy Shuster, RPT
www.shusterpiano.com
Albuquerque, New Mexico
Director, PTG Norfolk 2016 Technical Institute
http://convention.ptg.org
#626712 - 02/13/08 12:40 PM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 24,929
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BDB  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 24,929
Oakland
A lot of thin-wall situations could be handled by a tip that was tapered towards the bottom. This would be about as strong as current tips, so there would be no need to change tips. Tapering the last 1/8" would be sufficient.

Manufacturers seem to be better at avoiding situations where a thin wall is necessary, although I saw a SF 10 a while ago where the cutout in the desk slide was made wrong, and other tuners, too lazy to unscrew the slide or carve out the notch properly, had completely munged the lowest tuning pin.


Semipro Tech
#626713 - 02/13/08 01:51 PM Re: Tuning Hammer Head Angle  
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 839
UprightTooner Offline
500 Post Club Member
UprightTooner  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 839
North-East US
Thanks everyone. Great link Cy!

Seems the trade off is clearance versus control. The more angle, or longer tip, the more flagpoling.

I remember a few old uprights having very little clearance at the extreme low bass due to the curve of the case. A long tip would not have worked on these.


Part-time tuner

Moderated by  Piano World 

UK Members
Please check in
UK Members & Friends
Checking on our members and friends from the UK. Please Check In When Able
Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


(ad)
Pianoteq
Grotrian Concert
Royal
for Pianoteq out now
What's Hot!!
Why Do You Play The Piano?
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
-------------------
Piano Classified Ads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
pain . . .
by unkabin. 05/24/17 02:01 PM
Roland FP 50 - Recording
by hyena. 05/24/17 11:29 AM
1989 Yamaha G2R Grand Piano
by Darrel. 05/24/17 10:35 AM
Review of Pollini and Perahia at Carnegie
by pianoloverus. 05/24/17 08:00 AM
Practicing scales plus.
by happyhacker. 05/24/17 05:08 AM
(ad)
Sheet Music Plus
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics179,857
Posts2,629,394
Members87,864
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Report Problems With New Forums
Report Problems with New Forums Here!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0