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Very small baldwin grand #625838
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Hello,

I have a piano related question and am not sure where to find information,

I have acquired a very small Baldwin baby grand that is 4'8" in length.

WOuld anyone know what model of Baldwin this is?

Thank you


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Re: Very small baldwin grand #625839
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That would likely be the 4'7" Baldwin that was actually made in Korea by Samick. I'm not sure about the model designation. The serial number reveals its year of manufacture to be 1986, according to the Pierce Piano Atlas.

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Baldwin Classic? (says "Classic" on the fall board)




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Weren't those called D.H. Baldwins? It seems to me that '86 is a little early for those but could be wrong. Their serial numbers might be different from the domestic models also.
I poked around the net and couldn't verify it. But I did find this Baldwin.com web page that shows their exotic cabinets.
Oh my.
Sunburst might work for guitars but I don't know about pianos.
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Divisions/Baldwin/Baldwin%20Custom%20Grands/CustomGallery/


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thanks for the fast responces.

the label on the fall board indicates Baldwin and only Baldwin.

perhaps a bit more interesting is, after I went through it (and pulled out a wrapped lollypop and a pencil covered in dust) I noticed a serial number on the case pressed into the wood 84858. based on the book i have the puts it as a 1938 build year. after continuing to look it over the same number was underneath the piano on the side of the case.

The keys seems to have the heads / tails seperation so they look like they might be ivory.


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Re: Very small baldwin grand #625843
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If it's a Korean piano it would not have a lacquer finish, it will be polyester.
The inside # is probably a case or part number.
I don't recall seeing older American models under 5'3", the model M. Are you measuring from the front of the keyboard to the longest point in the rear?
Most if not all the Baldwin products from that far back have a medallion somewhere on the plate that says House of Baldwin.
Could you post pictures?


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There was a small Baldwin model B which Del spoke of in one of his posts. He said it was compromised from the original design in production and not very good.


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Yep, I measured from the front of the keyboard to the longest point back in the rear.

i'll try and get a photo or two up later

any idea where that post about the small baldwin model b can be found, I searched but did not find it.

thanks


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That is a fairly old piano. It probably is not one that originally sported the Baldwin name on the fallboard, possibly Howard or Hamilton or one of their other names. I would guess that it dates somewhere between 1930-1960.

Give us a picture with the lid up and the music desk removed.


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I think BDB is right, Baldwin serials are on the plate webbing between the bass and treble and that plate design would be unusual for a Baldwin. The Baldwin-Monarch brand has its own serial number series and 271... puts it at 1937. Their factory was in Chicago.
I've only seen Monarch uprights and they are pretty decent.
Thanks for the pics, another thing we can see is that the treble bridge looks to be in great shape.


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http://www.papagenopianotuning.com/photos.htm

more photos have been posted,


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Definitely not Baldwin. The plate would say so, rather than "A Product of Baldwin." I get 1936 for the date from Baldwin's manual, but I suspect that is approximate.


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Monarch, Ellington, Hamilton, Howard, or some 2nd line Baldwin product that was refinished and decal replaced with Baldwin. That is not the original finish.

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Hi,

I looked at all the pictures

I have the exact same piano...It is a Howard built a little before mine...I am 286234 built in 1935-36...

you will love it...

John


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Originally posted by Papageno:
Hello,

I have a piano related question and am not sure where to find information,

I have acquired a very small Baldwin baby grand that is 4'8" in length.

The serial # is 271334

WOuld anyone know what model of Baldwin this is?

Thank you

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Here are a few details to ponder:

1) Notice the brass ferules on the feet are much shorter than on Baldwin Artist Grands.

2) Although this is thought to be a 1986 model, where is the medalion on the plate in the high treble in front of the tuning pins?

3) Where are the award decals on the left inner rim?

4) Baldwin has always made some decorator models such as French Provincial using the Model M, which is larger than the the piano pictured; but has anyone ever seen that music desk before? It's a first for me.

I would have to believe that regardless of what the fallboard stencil says, this is likely a D. H. Baldwin (or maybe a Howard?).

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Oops, turns out I guessed right posing the possibility of a Howard. I had missed tugger's reply before responding. Sorry, tugger. I should add, 1936 was before my time!

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I have a customer with one, which is labeled a Howard by Baldwin, 1928, and doesn't sound bad for such a small piano. What I like about it is the case design: the arms, cheek blocks, legs, and music desk are all designed proportionately for the length. Since keyboards are (mostly) the same width, it's hard to make small pianos not look ungainly. This one has done it.

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so it is a Howard then....

i'm am quite pleased with the very small baby grand,

the other interesting thing is it does not have beams.

right now I'm in the process of regulating it. bass is good, treble is good midrange is weak.

any one know if the striking distance is something other than 1 3/4" ?


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The strike/blow distance is set by the key dip. More keydip, more blow distance.
Action ratios vary. A one to six will have more blow verses a one to five.


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