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Best Handheld PC for Tuning Software #607677 04/17/06 04:28 PM
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What's the best handheld PC for running software like TuneLabs? Is a low-end, $350 iPaq just as good as a more expensive model?


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Re: Best Handheld PC for Tuning Software #607678 04/17/06 04:42 PM
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I just got the Dell Axim X51 V because it has a higher res screen and a very fast processor. It runs over $500. The screen res is very good and tunelab runs well on it. Does tunelab need a fast processor? Dunno, but the high res screen is a big advantage.




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HP works well for Tunelab.


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I have an IPAQ the $299 one. Never had a problem with it, it has plenty of storage for saved tunings, schedule and customer names and numbers. The battery lasts about 9 hours. Plus if I ever drop it and break it I won't have as big of a heart attack as if I had bought a more expensive one.


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Tunelab should work well on most everything... it's not too processor hungry. (check the website) Verituner needs speed, if you want to step up to multi-partial tuning. It really depends on your budget, and how much you want from the software. I've got the Dell Axim X30, which has plenty of speed, but the battery life is terrible - something like 4 hours with the bigger battery. I had an x5 that had a better battery life, but even overclocked to the max, it wasn't picking up all the partials that the X30 could.

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I think that the most critical feature to check into is battery life.

I recently bought a used HP 5555 on ebay for under $200. I like being able to go into places with WiFi for lunch and to check email. I also got a Navman expansion sleeve, so I have a navigation unit. Great fun. All the extra features use up battery, so I use them sparingly. Still, the battery is very good in this unit. Previously I had a Dell Axim x5, which was a real trooper.

Ron:
How do you like the Verituner comparatively?


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I run TuneLab on an old HP 3855 that I got for $75. I use an external battery pack with it.

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I have a new HX 2755, which was a replacement for the 2415 I had that had problems with the tap screen. I have no such problems with the new one. I like it alot. It's fast, and has long battery life. I use it all day for all kinds of stuff, and end up with about 75% battery power remaining when I dock it at home.

Does it work better than the less expensive one that it replaced? Not really, but it has twice the memory and twice the storage space available.

I use Tunelab with it, but more importantly I have all of my contacts and appointments in it, as well as Mapopolis(my most used program, that uses my contacts database to find my routes to and fro).

Buying an inexpensive one may be a good way to go. I'm amazed that people can keep them around long enough to sell them as used. I've never had one last so long that I could sell it when I was done with it. I've had two die, and one get lost/stolen.

HP has good tech support. I wish I could say the same for Dell and Microsoft, but the usual response from either of them is "this is <the other guy's> issue."


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>Ron:
>How do you like the Verituner comparatively?


Well...
Each format has different strengths. The research I've done has led me to believe that the Verituner holds the potential for getting the best tuning out of an instrument. Still Tunelab and Cybertuner are precision tools that really offer a lot to any technician. Tunelab's display, which allows for muteless fast pitch raising is valued by many techs. Which platform and software to choose will depend on what you expect from the machine. Looking for "closest to the mark" right out of the box? Go with the Verituner. Looking for the most bang for the buck? Tunelab wins. Best visual, as well as awesome pitch raise? I think Cybertuner still wins that one.

I'd be happy to discuss any specifics...
(disclaimer - I don't get anything from any of the tuning program designers. The traditional goal of the machines is to provide support to those that are aural tuners. My goal is to research methods to achieve musical tunings without having to learn traditional aural temperament methods first.)

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Dave: Sometimes people get them and just don't use them. The HP I bought was in like new condition. I used the Dell constantly for 3 years, and now my wife uses it. They can last quite a while if they aren't dropped.


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Ron: I have used Tunelab since the early PC versions came out. I like it alot, and probably wouldn't change. Still, the Verituner is enticing (other than the price).


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Thank you all for your input; it's been most helpful.

I'm just looking to resurrect my moribund tuning skills. I tuned aurally for 5 years in the early 80s. Back then ETDs were these huge devices with oscilloscopes. I learned to tune a temperament using one of those, but from then on tuned aurally only -- couldn't see lugging one of those things around, and couldn't afford it anyway. I can still set a temperament by ear, but tuning takes me about twice as long as it did when I was doing it every day. Much has changed since then. I wish I'd had TuneLabs on a handheld back then! I think for my purposes a low-end iPaq and TuneLabs will do. I don't expect to get back in the business, but you never know. Might be a good retirement gig. I just wanted to make sure there was nothing inherently bad about using a low-end handheld with TuneLabs.


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I've been able to find used electronic gear cheap on craigslist.org. I think it started out your way. Especially if you aren't in a big rush, you will be able to find something nice at a fraction of the cost of new. If you aren't doing many pianos per day, battery life isn't even an issue...

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Thanks, Ron. craigslist.org is a good idea -- yes, it started out here in SF -- and I'm in no hurry for sure. Just very intrigued by the possibilities that pocket PC EDT offers, especially for upper treble stretching and hearing partials when tuning the bass.


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Hey Aaron,

Good shopping! Tunelab also is the only one that allows a free trial period...

I'm hearing more and more folks really liking the sound of stretching to a 3:1 level. (Matching the fundamental with the 3rd partial and octave+fifth below) It doesn't work so well with little instruments in the middle, but gives a good resonance working to the top octave.

Enjoy!

Ron Koval


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