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Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600676
06/07/08 07:42 AM
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Can anyone recommend editions/publishers of Rachmaninoff's preludes? I'm particularly looking for something with fingering. I recently downloaded one prelude from Sheet Music Archive and I'm struggling as there were no fingering suggestions whatsoever. I realize I may have to modify to suit myself but I would at least like a starting point rather than having to reinvent the wheel!

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Re: Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600677
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jehalliday :

The only editions of Rachmaninoff that I have - and that I have seen - Schirmer for the Preludes, and CPP/Belwin (CPP/Belwin - Alfred Publishing for the Transcriptions (Vol. VII) and CPP/Belwin - Warner Bros. Publications for the Sonatas) do not have fingering.

It seems that the Schirmer "Complete Preludes for Piano" edited and fingered by Oesterle does have fingering
Schirmer

The Dover edition appears not to have fingering.

The Boosey & Hawkes authentic edition, revised 1992 appears not to have fingering :
Boosey & Hawkes

This edition (Alfred Masterworks, both Op 23 and 32) may have fingerings :
Alfred

International appears not to have fingerings :
International

The CPP/Belwin appears not to have fingerings :
Belwin

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Re: Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600678
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Ruth Laredo edited the complete preludes for Peters in a fairly recent edition. As I have not seen it in several years, I cannot recall if there are fingerings. I've always used the International Edition which does have a smattering of fingering, so I'm not sure which International Edition Bruce is referring to.


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Re: Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600679
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Originally posted by argerichfan:
I've always used the International Edition which does have a smattering of fingering, so I'm not sure which International Edition Bruce is referring to.
... the one that I linked to in my above post. The "smattering" may not have reached the first page, which is the only one to which the link gives and image.

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Re: Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600680
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I have the Schirmer edition of the opus 23 preludes, and I deem them, well, not the best. As far as fingering goes they are particularly useless; none whatsoever!
I cannot compare them to other editions, however, as it's the only edition I have. Studying it, I find it somewhat troublesome to know how to use the pedals. Maybe no Rachmaninoff music editions has pedal markings though, suggesting, so, that the pedal is to be used to the performer's discretion. I have not done much Rachmaninoff (yet) with my teacher, and, as I say, it's the only music I have for Rachmaninoff, so I cannot give you a completely substantial opinion.
No fingering in it anyway.


I'm trying to get a recording of the opus 23 preludes as well . . . can anyone recommend a good one? Good in the sense of remaining loyal to the score; I want to hear how the preludes should sound like as close as possible to how they are written, as I haven't heard many of them!


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Re: Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600681
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... the one that I linked to in my above post. The "smattering" may not have reached the first page, which is the only one to which the link gives and image.
Oh I understand, Bruce. Those "first pages" can be rather deceptive. I have been burned with church music before, too many examples. EW!


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Re: Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600682
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Originally posted by hopinmad:
I have the Schirmer edition of the opus 23 preludes, and I deem them, well, not the best. As far as fingering goes they are particularly useless; none whatsoever!
As I suggested, the Schirmer edition of the complete Preludes, (Op. 23, Op. 32, and Op. 3, No 2) is fingered. I have the older Schirmer, separate editions of Opp. 23 and 32 without fingering and without pedal markings.

My feeling is that once one gets to the level of playing the Rachmaninoff Preludes, one should not really need fingering (although some suggestions can certainly prove interesting and maybe even helpful) and pedaling really depends largely on the individual piano and the acoustics of the room one is playing in. I can't think of any scores I have used where I have ever paid much attention to pedal markings. For me, pedaling is intuitive, and pedal markings in scores are superfluous, but others may have different needs. I have been quite content, therefore, using the (older?) Schirmer edition for the Rachmaninoff Preludes.

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Re: Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600683
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I have the Boosey & Hawkes edition and it only very rarely includes fingering, for the most part there are none.

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I'm trying to get a recording of the opus 23 preludes as well . . . can anyone recommend a good one? Good in the sense of remaining loyal to the score; I want to hear how the preludes should sound like as close as possible to how they are written, as I haven't heard many of them!
Recordings by Rachmaninov would be a great place to start. Then also look at Ashkenazy and Richter.


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Re: Recommended editions of Rachmaninoff's preludes #600684
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Ah, thanks, very well then, I'll purchase them!


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