Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
What's Hot!!
Hurricane Irma & Our Piano Friends!
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Tuning a Piano
How to Tune Pianos
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
4th Finger Enigma Resolved!
Schumann's 4th Finger Enigma Resolved!
Who's Online Now
121 registered members (accordeur, Beakybird, alphonsus, bennevis, alfredo capurso, andy250, 27 invisible), 1,663 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#599576 - 03/29/07 11:10 AM Hand Span  
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 150
Pianos_N_Cheezecake Offline
Full Member
Pianos_N_Cheezecake  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 150
Saskatchewan, Canada
Mine are only an octave, but my teacher can do a 13th!

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#599577 - 03/29/07 11:29 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,198
Les Koltvedt Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Les Koltvedt  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,198
Canton, MI
Octave here too...


Les Koltvedt
LK Piano
Servicing the S. Eastern Michigan Area
PTG Associate
#599578 - 03/29/07 11:37 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,278
ecm Offline
1000 Post Club Member
ecm  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,278
Republic of Macedonia
11th here.. what's the point of this topic? Everyone is going to say how big their hands are??

#599579 - 03/29/07 12:43 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 310
Frank III Offline
Full Member
Frank III  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 310
Spring Lake, MI
Mine are only an octave, but my teacher can do a 13th!
From C to A of the next octave?? eek


Frank III
(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#599580 - 03/29/07 12:55 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 13,837
Kreisler Offline
Kreisler  Offline


Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 13,837
Iowa City, IA
I have a 10th.

I don't have to roll the ending of the Bartok Op. 14 suite. laugh


"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed
#599581 - 03/29/07 12:55 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 10
alex41 Offline
Junior Member
alex41  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 10
Kingston, ON
I can do C to E. General body proportion might have something to do with it. I'm 6'1", which is taller than average I think (at least for Chinese).

#599582 - 03/29/07 01:00 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
Pacific Northwest, US.
10th here too. I can take the opening chords of the Rach 2 without breaking them, though it is a "stretch", so to speak. laugh


Jason
#599583 - 03/29/07 01:02 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 67
remline Offline
Full Member
remline  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 67
USA
If a person says that he can reach a 10th, does this mean on the top of the keys or the side of the keys?

I can't imagine how big of a hand would be required to reach a 13th!

#599584 - 03/29/07 01:06 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,414
packa Offline
1000 Post Club Member
packa  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,414
Dallas, TX
Quote
Originally posted by remline:
If a person says that he can reach a 10th, does this mean on the top of the keys or the side of the keys?
To me, it means you can play the interval reliably at whatever tempo and dynamic level you want without sounding the adjacent notes.


Paul Buchanan
Estonia L168 #1718
#599585 - 03/29/07 01:20 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
Pacific Northwest, US.
Quote
Originally posted by packa:
To me, it means you can play the interval reliably at whatever tempo and dynamic level you want without sounding the adjacent notes.
Exactly. Playing the opening of the Rach 2 with unbroken chords would be just too risky for me in performance. (For musical reasons, they should be broken anyway, IMO.) My hands aren't that big. Whilst I can take a 10th with either hands at slow speed, they have to be broken at higher speeds.


Jason
#599586 - 03/29/07 01:30 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,198
Les Koltvedt Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Les Koltvedt  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,198
Canton, MI
I would say from C to ?? 5'6" and one octave only.


Les Koltvedt
LK Piano
Servicing the S. Eastern Michigan Area
PTG Associate
#599587 - 03/29/07 03:13 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,278
ecm Offline
1000 Post Club Member
ecm  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,278
Republic of Macedonia
I'm glad I have no difficulty playing big spans, jumps etc.. Rach 2 unbroken chords are easy thank god.

#599588 - 03/29/07 05:41 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 631
jpw101 Offline
500 Post Club Member
jpw101  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 631
UK
I can just scrape a very stretched 10th - certainly couldn't play a series of 10ths without adding an unintentional 9th or two wink

Watching someone like Marcus Roberts at the keyboard consumes me with jealousy - his hands give the impression that he's playing on a miniature keyboard. I reckon he could easily stretch two octaves - seeing him play an octave with thumb and 4th finger coming down perpendicular to the keybed made me do a double-take. That can't be an octave!

[Linked Image]

(click for big)

#599589 - 03/29/07 06:01 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,480
Bassio Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Bassio  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,480
Alexandria, Egypt
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:
(For musical reasons, they should be broken anyway, IMO.)
*cough cough* .. no :rolleyes:

IMO :p

wink

#599590 - 03/29/07 06:10 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
Pacific Northwest, US.
Quote
Originally posted by Bassio:
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:
(For musical reasons, they should be broken anyway, IMO.)
*cough cough* .. no :rolleyes:

IMO :p

wink
You should start a thread about that and watch all heck break loose! laugh laugh


Jason
#599591 - 03/29/07 06:45 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,288
LiszThalberg Offline
3000 Post Club Member
LiszThalberg  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,288
NEWS FLASH!!! I've grown! My parents and friends can agree that I have been getting taller. laugh Yesterday I noticed... HEY I can stretch a 9th! I'm not just c to shining c anymore! I'm c to shining d!!!

I love the fact that I am still growing laugh

Matt

#599592 - 03/29/07 06:58 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,480
Bassio Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Bassio  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,480
Alexandria, Egypt
Quote
Originally posted by Debussy20:
NEWS FLASH!!! I've grown! My parents and friends can agree that I have been getting taller. laugh Yesterday I noticed... HEY I can stretch a 9th! I'm not just c to shining c anymore! I'm c to shining d!!!

I love the fact that I am still growing laugh

Matt
hey Debussy great thumb .. did you discover this yesterday?? wink

#599593 - 03/29/07 07:00 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,480
Bassio Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Bassio  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,480
Alexandria, Egypt
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:
Quote
Originally posted by Bassio:
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:
(For musical reasons, they should be broken anyway, IMO.)
*cough cough* .. no :rolleyes:

IMO :p

wink
You should start a thread about that and watch all heck break loose! laugh laugh
Gather your gang .. and I'll gather mine smokin

(tip: let us open a poll on it, a kind of yes/no poll .. and see who will pull this thing cool )

And remember it was you against me in the first place smokin

#599594 - 03/29/07 07:13 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,729
Brendan Offline
Brendan  Offline


Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,729
McAllen, TX
I can stretch an 11th in both hands but can't just put one down without splashing a few notes.

I love playing the Franck Violin Sonata and the Prelude, Chorale, et Fugue. Tenths galore. smile

#599595 - 03/29/07 07:21 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
Pacific Northwest, US.
Quote
Originally posted by Brendan:

I love playing the Franck Prelude, Chorale, et Fugue. Tenths galore. smile
Not to mention Franck's Prelude, Aria et Final. 12ths galore. smile


Jason
#599596 - 03/29/07 07:27 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,729
Brendan Offline
Brendan  Offline


Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,729
McAllen, TX
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:
Not to mention Franck's Prelude, Aria et Final. 12ths galore. smile
Indeed, and what an underrated piece! I've been meaning to get to it for a few years now. In some ways I find it more musically satisfying than the PCF.

#599597 - 03/29/07 07:52 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
Pacific Northwest, US.
Quote
Originally posted by Brendan:
Indeed, and what an underrated piece! I've been meaning to get to it for a few years now. In some ways I find it more musically satisfying than the PCF.
I totally agree with you! For the life of me, I cannot understand why this magnificent triptych is so seldom played. Someday I would love to tackle it, though I don't really have the hands for it. I did learn the PCF several years back.


Jason
#599598 - 03/29/07 08:02 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,921
-Frycek Offline
5000 Post Club Member
-Frycek  Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,921
SC Mountains
5'6" and a good reliable 9, sometimes a very strained 10


Slow down and do it right.
[Linked Image]
#599599 - 03/29/07 09:10 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 245
SilentKoala Offline
Full Member
SilentKoala  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 245
Seattle
10th, 11th if really stretch hard


"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Winston Churchill
#599600 - 03/30/07 09:38 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,753
AJB Offline
3000 Post Club Member
AJB  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,753
England/Switzerland
11th. No idea why this is important. I have never needed more than a 10th and rarely more than an octave.


Currently playing 2017 C212 with carbon fibre soundboard, WNG action. Working on Bach, Beethoven, Grieg mainly.
#599601 - 03/30/07 09:42 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 255
asherf Offline
Full Member
asherf  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 255
Colorado
I can reach an octave with my first and second finger.

I think I can do a tenth... but I like to think my hands still have growing to do.

#599602 - 03/30/07 10:44 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 794
Donna R. Offline
500 Post Club Member
Donna R.  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 794
5'1" and arthritic fingers - an octave is my limit. Fortunately that's all I've needed so far.

#599603 - 03/30/07 11:52 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
op30no3 Offline
Full Member
op30no3  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
Rochester, NY
Quote
Originally posted by AJB:
11th. No idea why this is important. I have never needed more than a 10th and rarely more than an octave.
Look at the chords at the beginning of the original La Campanella. I can hit tenths but I can't play those chords.


Help people. www.thehungersite.com
Go and click the button. That's it. Just do it.
#599604 - 03/30/07 12:12 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,326
Reaper978 Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Reaper978  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,326
This guy hits an 11th with ease:

[Linked Image]

I can do a tenth fairly well on black keys, quite a bit more difficult on white. I tend to think I have great piano hands, though, octaves are super natural to play.

#599605 - 03/30/07 12:39 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,371
Pacific Northwest, US.
Quote
Originally posted by op30no3:
Look at the chords at the beginning of the original La Campanella. I can hit tenths but I can't play those chords.
My left hand can easily take the 10ths at the opening of Rach 2, but I cannot do those in the Ab minor version of La Campanella. (I just tried. eek )

From what I have read about Liszt (just covering the 10ths at the close of the slow movement of Beethoven's Opus 106 without breaking), he certainly wouldn't have managed those 10ths in La Campanella either.

Can anyone here take the left hand 10th's in the 6th Rhapsody (Presto section- measure 57) without breaking them? Argerich would seem to be doing that in her recording (which I've listened to a billion times), yet I've heard that her hands are not particularly large. She must be breaking them at supersonic speed.


Jason
#599606 - 03/31/07 08:51 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 15
Hayley Rae Offline
Junior Member
Hayley Rae  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 15
Somewhere
I can only stretch an octave. frown

I wish I had big hands.


Not all who wander are lost...
#599607 - 03/31/07 09:25 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 20,643
BruceD Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BruceD  Offline

Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 20,643
Victoria, BC
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:
but I cannot do those in the Ab minor version of La Campanella. (I just tried. eek )

There's an Ab minor version of La Campanella? Apart from the key signature, how does it differ from the "conventional" G# minor version?

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
#599608 - 03/31/07 09:38 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,860
dannylux Offline
1000 Post Club Member
dannylux  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,860
Connecticut
The first version is in A flat minor.


Mel


"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get — only what you are expecting to give — which is everything. You give because you love and cannot help giving." Katharine Hepburn
#599609 - 03/31/07 09:43 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
op30no3 Offline
Full Member
op30no3  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 360
Rochester, NY
Quote
Originally posted by BruceD:
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:
[b] but I cannot do those in the Ab minor version of La Campanella. (I just tried. eek )

There's an Ab minor version of La Campanella? Apart from the key signature, how does it differ from the "conventional" G# minor version?

Regards, [/b]
It is practically a completely different piece.


Help people. www.thehungersite.com
Go and click the button. That's it. Just do it.
#599610 - 03/31/07 10:02 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,366
playadom Offline
1000 Post Club Member
playadom  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,366
New Jersey
Quote
Originally posted by AJB:
Look at the chords at the beginning of the original La Campanella. I can hit tenths but I can't play those chords.
I tried playing those chords. Not hard at all.

Now, the rest of the piece... Much thicker than the revision.

brojek.


Practice makes permanent - Perfect practice makes perfect.
#599611 - 03/31/07 04:54 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 299
Piana Justice Offline
Full Member
Piana Justice  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 299
Greenville, NC
Since my right hand is less flexible than my left [it should tell you which hand I write w/], I can reach an octave, but barely b/c my hands are small. It's rare I get those fast notes [that are an octave apart] just right. I have no problem whatsoever w/ the octave-apart note w/ my left hand, though. In spite of my flexibility, I guess my right hand is as flexible as it'll ever be.


[Linked Image]
#599612 - 03/31/07 05:32 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 24
John B RX2 Offline
Full Member
John B RX2  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 24
Liverpool, England
Hi folks - I'm new round these parts, so Hello!

I suspect that as important as overall stretch is the reach between fingers. For example, it is possible to reach a 10th, but still not be secure on the opening chords of Rach 2 (sorry, I have to disagree argerichfan - IMO they really should not be spread- the build up of the sound from chord to chord carrying the line - not relying on the spreading! wink ). Rather, it takes the ability to reach well between fingers. I suspect this generally becomes quite important in all kinds of passage work as well, as it simply enables a wider range of useful fingerings to be used.

#599613 - 03/31/07 06:20 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 342
Liszt_BG Offline
Full Member
Liszt_BG  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 342
Mine is 11th. The first edition La campanella chords are in reach, so are the Rach 2 opening chords. But there's one catch - it makes a difference if the chords have middle tones inside, or there just a plain stretch - 2 notes! For instance - F# to A: no problem; but then, Rachmaninoff F# minor prelude final chords... wink

#599614 - 03/31/07 09:31 PM Re: Hand Span  

**DONOTDELETE**
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered


Only an 8th. Hate it. :p

#599615 - 03/31/07 09:35 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 15
sping Offline
Junior Member
sping  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 15
I can only stretch an octave too, but my teacher says that its enough to play most songs, she couldn't stretch any further than me herself!!

#599616 - 04/02/07 03:35 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 106
RandomThoughts Offline
Full Member
RandomThoughts  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 106
Canada
I can just barely reach a 10th with left (ie. I can do it for a single chord, but not with 16th notes!), easy with right hand, which stretches an extra cm.

#599617 - 04/02/07 07:29 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,589
Ted Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Ted  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,589
Auckland, New Zealand
I can reach elevenths but not comfortably and certainly not rapidly. I am glad I can play fast, filled tenths in stride, particularly in the Waller solos. On the other hand, it has to be admitted that breaking these in various off-beat ways can often create rhythms more interesting than those obtained through playing them straight. The only classical example I play is the Ab Polonaise, in which I play all the tenths straight because I think they sound better that way.

In improvisation it's handy to be able to expand a chord into a form within a tenth in the left hand because, in general, widely spaced forms in the bass seem to sound more harmonious than clumps - unless you want a solid effect of course.


"It is inadvisable to decline a dinner invitation from a plump woman." - Fred Hollows
#599618 - 04/02/07 11:09 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,925
John Citron Offline
3000 Post Club Member
John Citron  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,925
Haverhill, Massachusetts
I can do 10ths easily on the piano, and I can do 12ths on the clavichord. wink

John


Nothing.
#599619 - 06/29/07 04:17 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 4
sallyf Offline
Junior Member
sallyf  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 4
Como/Italy
I can barely reach an ocave, I'm a girl, can any girls here stretch over an octave?. I get jealous about other people's hands, for instance I was standing in the line at McDonlad's and I kept wanting to tell people they had pianists hands! There was a girl there with really long fingers and I ended up telling her..has this happened to anyone else?

#599620 - 06/29/07 04:40 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,117
Ragnhild Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Ragnhild  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,117
Norway
Hei SallyF !

I am a girl and I have tiny hands, I can reach C - Eb with my left hand and Bb - C with my right, but I have gained flexibility from practicing.

Be careful, though.

I use to look at peoples hands all the time, and when I see people with strong hands and long fingers who does not bother to play the piano, I find it hard to understand.

There must be other things to piano-playing than just finger size.... wink

Ragnhild


Trying to play the piano:
http://www.box.net/public/dbr23ll03e
#599621 - 06/29/07 06:55 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 80
Muzzzz Offline
Full Member
Muzzzz  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 80
Australia
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:

From what I have read about Liszt (just covering the 10ths at the close of the slow movement of Beethoven's Opus 106 without breaking), he certainly wouldn't have managed those 10ths in La Campanella either.
Really? confused From what I have read, Liszt didn't have SUPER big hands, but he had practically no webbing, meaning that he could stretch a lot further than normal, some say even a 12th...

Anyway, I'm fifteen and can play an 12th at a stretch or an 11th with no hassles, but the most I ever use is about a 10th, so the extra finger length basically only aids in getting my fingers in the way of each other!

#599622 - 06/29/07 07:05 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 80
Muzzzz Offline
Full Member
Muzzzz  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 80
Australia
Oh, and while I mention it, is anybody else cursed with having tiny pinkies? For most people, their pinky reaches up to the last crease (looking at the palm side) on their 4th finger, whereas my pinkies only come to halfway between the 2nd and 3rd creases on my 4th finger.

It's annoying because it means that I have to play all my stretches (ie, 11ths and 12ths) with my thumb and 4th finger.

Does anyone else experience this?

#599623 - 06/29/07 08:49 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,277
John Pels Offline
1000 Post Club Member
John Pels  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,277
Tomball, Texas
Rachmaninoff had HUGE hands. I have been told that Askenazy can only span an octave. Doesn't seem to matter, if they get the job done. I can reach a tenth comfortably. I have piano playing friends with larger and smaller hands. We all do the best with the "hand" we've been dealt. Generally the repertoire is sized to an average hand. After all, the composers actually DID want their compositions played. I had a girlfriend in college that was 4'10" and could barely span an octave, that played wonderfully. I have taught students the A major polonaise that could "just" reach the octaves, and they played it wonderfully. My teacher in college (Abbey Simon) once imparted that "what you do at the piano is all a question of desire, if you really desire to do it you will find a way". Just because I can span a tenth does not mean that I wouldn't swap hands with Askenazy!
John Pels

#599624 - 06/29/07 08:05 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 667
Mr_Kitty Offline
500 Post Club Member
Mr_Kitty  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 667
Toronto
I do rach 2 with solid chords... so i guess some 10th some 11th
some 11ths are smaller than some 10ths..

#599625 - 06/29/07 09:39 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 506
bukopaudan Offline
500 Post Club Member
bukopaudan  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 506
USA
My hands stretch to an octave and 1. (9th)

It gives me trouble sometimes...


"Music can name the unnameable and communicate the unknowable." -Leonard Bernstein
#599626 - 06/29/07 09:46 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,278
ecm Offline
1000 Post Club Member
ecm  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,278
Republic of Macedonia
Just noticed now, I can do from C do Fis in the next octave.

#599627 - 06/30/07 03:59 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 97
IpsoPhatso Offline
Full Member
IpsoPhatso  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 97
I can do C to E with ease, C to F with a little stress. C to F# with pain. :p

#599628 - 06/30/07 09:02 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,918
Palindrome Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Palindrome  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,918
Chicago, IL USA
Quote
Originally posted by John Pels:
...Just because I can span a tenth does not mean that I wouldn't swap hands with Askenazy!
John Pels
Then you'd have small hands, and the same brain.

At a garden party, Godowsky and Hofmann were standing together, and a woman came up. "Why what small hands you have Dr. Godowsky. And you, too, Dr. Hofmann!" Godowsky responded, "Whatever made you think, madam, that we play the piano with our hands?"


There is no end of learning. -Robert Schumann Rules for Young Musicians
#599629 - 07/01/07 05:14 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 667
Mr_Kitty Offline
500 Post Club Member
Mr_Kitty  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 667
Toronto
palindrome, that's a funny story wink
so many pianists have been successful with small hands... personally, I think it may even be an ADVANTAGE in certain repertoire, eg. much of the Classical era. However, in 19th and 20th century rep, having a big span rules.
My girlfriend has tiny hands... and although her playing is wonderful, it seems like I can always hear her the things she does to make up for her small hands.... breaking chords which should be solid, doing weird fingerings, etc... and ultimately, the music suffers.
Sometimes MY fingers feel too big for certain pieces...

#599630 - 11/13/07 08:03 PM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 188
Anders39 Offline
Full Member
Anders39  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 188
Norway
I can reach 10ths. Somehow my left hand can stretch a little bit longer than my right hand.


"Silence is music too"
#599631 - 11/14/07 02:14 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 529
ZPomeroy Offline
500 Post Club Member
ZPomeroy  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 529
australia
11th for me, pretty good seings i'm 15 and still growing


"I don't think I handle the notes much differently from other pianists. But the pauses between the notes - ah, there is where the artistry lies" - Artur Schnabel

[Linked Image]
#599632 - 11/16/07 12:52 AM Re: Hand Span  
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 231
T.S.R. Offline
Full Member
T.S.R.  Offline
Full Member

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 231
Chicago, IL
Chuang C. Chang's Method book has some stretching excercises and techniques for big stretches that look pretty promising...

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World)
our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, Digital Piano Dolly, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping* on Jansen Artist Piano Benches, Cocoweb Piano Lamps, Hidrau Hydraulic Piano Benches
(*free shipping within contiguous U.S. only)
(ad)
Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq 6 Out now
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


New Topics - Multiple Forums
What makes me play too loudly?
by Beemer. 09/25/17 08:21 AM
Clavinova CVP 701 vs Celviano AP 650
by VMK. 09/25/17 04:22 AM
VST/External audio interface technical issues
by genuse. 09/24/17 10:22 PM
How can I learn "Never Surrender" by Lionel Yu?
by Piano Master 757. 09/24/17 09:45 PM
removing key cover on Mason Hamlin model 50
by jbclem. 09/24/17 08:10 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics182,015
Posts2,660,024
Members88,889
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Click Here to
Explore The Rest of Piano World!!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0