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#592625 - 01/10/08 10:26 PM most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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What are some of your guys' picks for this? The melody can be harmonic/polyphonic but in general I'm talking about something you could hum/sing, rather than the atmosphere of a piece being particularly haunting. Searching the board has yielded a lot of "most beautiful piece" threads, but I couldn't find one about simply the melody, where if you took away the entire development of the piece and just played the melody it'd still be powerful.

My picks:

Chopin Nocturne in c# minor (op. posth) - I know musicians sometimes give this piece a lot of crap for being simplistic and such, but I personally think it's Chopin's most longing, heart-wrenching melody.

Chopin Etude Op. 25 no 7

Rachmaninoff's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, var 18 - maybe more rousing than haunting but it's so beautiful I had to include it

Tabhair dom do lámh (Give Me Your Hand, an old Irish folk song)

Ashokan Farewell

Highland Cathedral

Brahms Intermezzo Op 118 no2, the third melody

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I'm assuming theres something about all these melodies in common or something, does someone more knowledgeable about music theory than I am think this is the case?

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#592626 - 01/10/08 10:34 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Rachmaninoff's Prelude in B minor, op. 32.

I think the most haunting piece for piano I've ever heard is Busoni's Fantasia Contrappuntistica The theme from Contrapunctus I in The Art of Fugue is so loaded with emotion.

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#592627 - 01/10/08 10:36 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Chopin Waltz in F Minor Op 70 No.2

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#592628 - 01/10/08 11:03 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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For melody, you gotta go to Schubert. The Serenade, as a stand alone haunting melody, cannot be beaen.

Try this for a really peculiar rendition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdStu36UAkk

An die Musik is on the same video, but as a haunting melody, it's not in a league with the Serenade.

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#592629 - 01/10/08 11:04 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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And of course, the most magnificently haunting of all, Bartok's 89 bar, 8 voice double fugue in retrograde inversion based on the Fibonacci series:

http://www.amazon.com/Bart%C3%B3k-Concerto-Orchestra-Strings-Percussion/dp/B00005MOA4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1200019931&sr=1-1

track 6

(used in the Shining)


My expansion of Lennie Tristano's Scene & Variation:

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#592630 - 01/10/08 11:32 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Ginistera's Dance of the Beautiful girl. Haunting and beautiful. Here's a snipit!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tNyOqBP67A0&feature=related
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#592631 - 01/10/08 11:33 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Mendelssohn's violin concerto's opening melody will always be the top melody of such kind. also, add Beethoven string quartet op.132 last movement theme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOlmxT6Q0uE

#592632 - 01/10/08 11:37 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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The E minor? or the D minor?

#592633 - 01/10/08 11:40 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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For haunting, my favorite has always been Thomas Tallis's "Third Mode Melody," which is the underlying melody behind Ralph Vaughan Williams' "Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas Tallis," itself hauntingly beautiful.

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#592634 - 01/11/08 12:04 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Chopin - Wiosna (Spring) Liszt's transcription. This one finds its way onto music boxes and into spooky movies from time to time.
Bach 2nd Fugue in WTC -also finds its way into spooky movies
Larghetto Chopin's op 11, E major concerto
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#592635 - 01/11/08 12:12 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Does it need to be a piano piece? For haunting and beautiful, I'd nominate Albinoni's adagio and Rimsky-Korsakov Scheherazade.

And, at the grave risk of getting tomatoes thrown at me, for contemporary music I'd nominate this for a beautiful and longing melody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKcr2OTgws


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#592636 - 01/11/08 01:18 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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I'd pick the 2nd mvmt. from Shostakovich's piano concerto No. 2. When the piano comes in, I swear, it's the sound of the sunrise.

#592637 - 01/11/08 02:13 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Piano works--

Bach: Keyboard Concerto in F minor, 2nd movement

Bach: French Suite No. 5, Allemande and Gigue

Bach: Partita No. 2, Sinfonia

Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 23, 2nd movement

Schubert: Impromptus, Op. 142, Nos. 2 and 3

Grieg: Piano Concerto in A minor, 2nd movement

Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3, 1st movement

Ravel: Piano Concerto in G, 2nd movement

Shostakovich: Prelude and Fugue in D minor
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Non-piano works--

Bach: The Sheep May Safely Graze

Gliere: Concerto for Soprano and Orchestra, opening section

Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto, 2nd movement

Elgar: Cello Concerto, 1st movement

Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra, 1st and 3rd movements


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#592638 - 01/11/08 02:57 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Originally posted by tomasino:
For melody, you gotta go to Schubert. The Serenade, as a stand alone haunting melody, cannot be beaten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdStu36UAkk

I quite enjoyed that tomasino, though I doubt our friend BruceD would care for it. eek

As for "haunting/longing":

The opening of Act III of Tristan. Wagner's sublime genius in full flower... and setting the stage for a very shattering close.

And then...

The beginning of Elgar's First Symphony. Marked "Nobilmente", it is more "longing" and "haunting" to me. Anyone thinking that Elgar is all about Empire and Colonel Blimp may wish to reconsider. That stuff is old hat, past bearing.


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#592639 - 01/11/08 10:43 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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#592640 - 01/11/08 11:21 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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I quite enjoyed that tomasino, though I doubt our friend BruceD would care for it. eek [/QUOTE]


I gave my opinion on that video when Tomasino first posted it! laugh

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#592641 - 01/11/08 11:46 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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also, Saint Seans Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso openning theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD059jkt6bs

#592642 - 01/11/08 11:48 AM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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I quite enjoyed that tomasino, though I doubt our friend BruceD would care for it. eek



I gave my opinion on that video when Tomasino first posted it! laugh

Cheers! [/b][/QUOTE]

Sorry I am not following you guys. laugh

Can you guys tell me what is strange regarding this rendition? confused

It looks good enough for me.

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I gave my opinion on that video when Tomasino first posted it!
Sorry I am not following you guys. laugh

Can you guys tell me what is strange regarding this rendition? confused

It looks good enough for me.
Well for one thing a boy (horrors!) is singing it.

But whilst we're here, did anyone notice the piano accompaniment? It was very professionally and atmospherically played- one could hear the plucking mandolin.

I've always maintained that this accompaniment is a lot harder to play than it sounds. Throw in Liszt's contributions, and it's a nasty piece of business.


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#592644 - 01/11/08 01:16 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Betelgeuse, baby!
Too many to name, but here's an off-the-wall choice which I find particularly haunting: the third movement of Schoenberg's Fourth String Quartet.

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#592645 - 01/11/08 01:44 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Not necessarily in order:

1. Clarinet solo - Rachmaninov symphony no. 2, second movement

2. I'll have to agree on the second movement of the Mendelssohn violin concerto.

3. Oboe solo - Brahms violin concerto, second movement.

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I'll mention Sibelius and say Swan of Tuonela, since he hasn't been mentioned yet.

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[ducks the tomatoes]
[this was anticipated]

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I'll mention Sibelius and say Swan of Tuonela, since he hasn't been mentioned yet.

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[ducks the tomatoes]
[this was anticipated] [/b]
Only to be expected from our local aesthetic fundie.


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Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

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#592648 - 01/11/08 02:34 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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I was not in the crowd that threw the tomatoes. I was merely commenting on the fact that they hit. Let me further point out that the crowd was consisted of regular people, not fundamentalists.

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Betelgeuse, baby!
Well, until a negative reaction to the Schoenberg (besides the implied one in yours) comes in, I'll consider that no others have been thrown. I agree with you that they're inevitable.


Die Krebs gehn zurücke,
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Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

Die Predigt hat g'fallen.
Sie bleiben wie alle.
#592650 - 01/11/08 03:46 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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I'd pick the 2nd mvmt. from Shostakovich's piano concerto No. 2. When the piano comes in, I swear, it's the sound of the sunrise.
Wow that is beautiful, I think it takes the prize so far for me smile

The Schubert is beautiful as well...

Oh and since someone mentioned a contemporary/popular piece, I'd have to throw in "Schindler's List" and "A Window to the Past" (the latter being Lily's theme from Harry Potter) by John Williams. I've heard Williams is known for...borrowing...classical themes to use in his works, does anyone know if those particular ones are inspired by more traditional pieces?

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For hauntingness/longingness I am currently quite taken with the beginning of this (and various other parts throughout). I noticed that my local sheet music emporium had it in stock[1], so I made a detour on the way home the other day smile

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#592652 - 01/11/08 04:30 PM Re: most haunting and/or longing melodies/motifs  
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Most haunting / longing melodies? No question, it has to be Berlioz. Examples? Some or the songs from "Les Nuits d'Ete" ... or Marguerite's airs from Faust - "Le roi de Thule", or "D'amour l'ardente flamme".

Those long, entwining melodies. Simply gorgeous! Just thinking of them brings tears to the eyes.

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Poulenc two piano concerto: second movement (theme in D minor where the melody is a descending series of slow suspensions).

Rachmaninoff D minor sonata: second movement.

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