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Re: Rachmaninov Paganini Variations #586480
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[b] I actually think the 3rd concerto is easier than the 2nd, Paganini is the easier of the 3 (but I still can't get that top leap consistently in the last or so variation) - I heard that Rachmaninoff also found this top note very difficult to hit, until he was about to perform it in a concert one night and somebody suggested he had a drink before - some vodka cocktail - he found the note no trouble at all and swore that he would always have the same drink before every future performance!
Ah, that was Moiseiwitsch. Rachmaninoff commented on his performance, and asked how he was able to pull that section off so effortlessly. Moiseiwitsch smiled and replied "Creme de Menthe." [/b]
I say, Creme de Chocolat!

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Which top leap in the Paginini are you thinking of? The two that I find really tough are the huge cross-keyboard dashes that occur at the end of the second movement of the third concerto and at the end of the quasi cadenza before the orchestral tutti in the third movement of the second.

As for favourites, I don't think I can put them in order. Depends on my mood!

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[b] I actually think the 3rd concerto is easier than the 2nd, Paganini is the easier of the 3 (but I still can't get that top leap consistently in the last or so variation) - I heard that Rachmaninoff also found this top note very difficult to hit, until he was about to perform it in a concert one night and somebody suggested he had a drink before - some vodka cocktail - he found the note no trouble at all and swore that he would always have the same drink before every future performance!
Ah, that was Moiseiwitsch. Rachmaninoff commented on his performance, and asked how he was able to pull that section off so effortlessly. Moiseiwitsch smiled and replied "Creme de Menthe." [/b]
Of course, Rachmaninoff would've been able to hit it without moving so much as a nudge! It must have been the equivalent of a leap of a 9th or 10th for the rest of us.

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By the way - whats your order of favourites for the 5; mine are

1. Rach 4
2. Rach 1
3. Rach 3
4. Paganini Variations
5. Rach 2
It's hard to say... as for right now: 3, Rhapsody, 2, 4, 1.

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I never understood the argument that the 2nd was tougher than the 3rd. The 3rd is way way way WAY harder. The 2nd easily falls together musically whereas the 3rd, well, doesn't. Technically, I don't even think they're close. I don't know, maybe I'm just weird.

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Which top leap in the Paginini are you thinking of? The two that I find really tough are the huge cross-keyboard dashes that occur at the end of the second movement of the third concerto and at the end of the quasi cadenza before the orchestral tutti in the third movement of the second.

As for favourites, I don't think I can put them in order. Depends on my mood!
Its the last variation (one with the triplets) - your right hand has to jump 2 octaves at the speed of a triplet quaver at allegro.

I only stated my favourites at this moment in time - mine will be different next month

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You're correct. Though, the 2nd is barer compared to the 3rd, which presents other challenges.

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Its the last variation (one with the triplets) - your right hand has to jump 2 octaves at the speed of a triplet quaver at allegro.
Oh, that leap! laugh

I don't agree that the third doesn't fall together musically. It is very different in character to the second, which is perhaps more typical of the 19th century concerto. The third, however, is more ambitious in scope. The first movement's rondo-style format is brilliantly realised and allows Rachmaninoff to explore the theme in a variety of directions. The second movement's variations on the opening melody is equally inventive (don't you just love the piano's first entry? Rachmaninoff played it piano most effectively, rather than forte as marked in the score), whilst the final movement is one of his most successful.

In terms of sheer stamina, the third demands much more of the pianist than the second. But to say that the third continues where the second left off (as critics have historically done in lumping the two together) is misconceived: each score demands a very different approach.

Oh and the tricksiness of the second concerto is a sore point with me at the moment as I am trying to re-learn it. smile

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Here's a burst of sunshine just for apple ... a
self-confessed household and business slave ... with kindest regards.

In response to a similar thread by lewisslp
"Variations on a Theme by Paganini" presently in the Adult Beginners Forum I downloaded the first nine measures of the enchanting 18th variation.

Dannylux quickly corrected my 70 year copyright period calculation ... my action appears to be illegal by 6 years ... so sue me Johnny Cochran.

Enjoy.

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Its the last variation (one with the triplets) - your right hand has to jump 2 octaves at the speed of a triplet quaver at allegro.
The jumps in the left hand later in that variation, right before the Piu vivo (after the chromatic passage) are more difficult for me. There's a 2 octave jump with black notes and other extra notes in between! Seems like he's really going all out in this variation.

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[b] Its the last variation (one with the triplets) - your right hand has to jump 2 octaves at the speed of a triplet quaver at allegro.
The jumps in the left hand later in that variation, right before the Piu vivo (after the chromatic passage) are more difficult for me. There's a 2 octave jump with black notes and other extra notes in between! Seems like he's really going all out in this variation. [/b]
I agree. When I performed this I hit all the right hand jumps at the beginning of the variation but missed a few of the left hand jumps before the piu vivo

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I'm not sure that one tread alone can encompass the awesomeness of this piece.

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I forgot to mention a story. I was reading Hound of the Baskervilles last summer and listening to the Variations at the same time. The book got so scary and the music was sooo scary sounding, that i put the book down and turned on all the lights in my room.

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By the way - whats your order of favourites for the 5; mine are

1. Rach 4
2. Rach 1
3. Rach 3
4. Paganini Variations
5. Rach 2 [/QB]
funny because mine is in the reverse order: Rach 2, paganini, 3, 1, 4.


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I forgot to mention a story. I was reading Hound of the Baskervilles last summer and listening to the Variations at the same time. The book got so scary and the music was sooo scary sounding, that i put the book down and turned on all the lights in my room.
Scary? Which part of the piece is scary?

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I thought variations 5 and 6 were a little spooky... perhaps it was in combination with the mysterious murder in the Hound of the Baskervilles that made it scary.

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Hands up ... those who can play the andante cantabile Variation XVIII.

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^ haha thatd be quite a few people


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