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Working on the chopin 10/1 etude, looked at a few of the older posts, but didn't find anyone who had addressed bar 30. I'm working with the Alfred edition and it says 5321; can't figure out how anyone can make the 3 to 2 leap (bflat to eflat) and have it sound smooth (and accurate). To avoid asking other follow up questions, is there a "be all/end all" fingering for this etude? something that tries to avoid tendonitis? I have large hands, but this etude really starts to hurt half-way through, even if I try to play "supple-y" ("souple!").

I can't understand how such a fingering could work adequately for anyone with even a remotely average physiology. Henle recommends 5-4-2-1, and this work very well for me.

^ that seems to be the best fingering in my opinion. The difficulty for pianists is the reach which many do not possess as has been mentioned. Many pianists simply do not play it because of reach issues. That Alfred edition fingering is horrible. A leap from Bflat to Eflat with 3 and 2 is almost impossible for people with shorter hands. The 5,4,2,1, fingering better applies here IMO.

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i use the fingerings exactly as on my Dover version which is supposed to have Chopin's fingering marks. everything works fine so far for me. the point of Chopin's fingerings and this etude is not that your hand and fingers can stretch from note to note all the time. it's not possible unless your hand span is huge. but it's about using right motions, including wrist rotation and small leaps, so that your hand and fingers will cover a sequence of notes comfortably.

at the beginning i felt the same way as you did, and asked my teacher how certain passages be played. my teacher simply said that everyone has to find right motions on their own, because everyone is different.

btw, bar 30 on mine is 5421 as marked, which works fine for me.

Both the Badura-Skoda and the Paderewski give both fingerings. I've been working on this at a very relaxed pace, and use 5321, with my hand as relaxed as I can possibly get it to be. Slowly, it is becoming, if not exactly comfortable and secure at this point, at least feasible. I'm actually surprised, considering how alien it felt originally. 5421 doesn't seem any easier, to me, but that could be due to hand shape. With either fingering, I think there's going to be a period in which the hand and mind have to learn a new trick that feels sort of counter-intuitive.

http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/0/01/IMSLP00305-Chopin_-_OP10_1.PDF
(Klindworth Edition (Bote & Bock issue)

seems to opt for 5421 as well


my head is spinning after a brief look at that score , thanks!

I use 5421

Same here, 5421

I find the A major triad in m.35-36 a little bit difficult due to position and the pinky on the c#. It is almost easier to that triad with the left hand alone (and also give your right hand 2 bars of rest..)

I use 2121 2121(my 3,4,5th fingers are weak so I only use my 1st and 2nd fingers for the whole etude).

I use the same approach for the fingering of the chromatic scales in Op.10, No.2. I use my LH to play the notated LH part and the rest of the RH part using a "fast skip".

I use
the Gierow
edition.

When one is physically unable to play an etude that has a pointed pedagogical purpose as written, what is the reason for pursuing it?

Who is Gierow, and who publishes his edition?

Steven

p.s. I use 5421, too.

Deleted.

I'm sure pianoloverus was joking. And the edition is made up by him/her.

Geez, you guys definately need to buy a sense of humor.

I prefer 5151 5151 (my 2nd and 3rd finger are holding a cigarette and the 4th finger is busy flirting with the ladies in the audience).

Well, my friend Penelope can play every etude ... ever written ... with her feet ... with her legs crossed ... blindfolded ... while knitting a sweater. In fact, she's doing it right now.

Steven

When one is physically unable to play an etude that has a pointed pedagogical purpose as written, what is the reason for pursuing it?

Who is Gierow, and who publishes his edition?

Steven

p.s. I use 5421, too. [/qb][/QUOTE]Yes, who is Gierow?

Google turns up nothing remotely related to music. [/QB][/QUOTE]

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CLARIFICATION:
When
you play
the chromatic
scale with
just the
1212 fingering
you use a
short "hiccup"
motion when
going from
a white key
to a black key
and a 2-2 fingering.

From the Rushin'
Piano School. See
Nay House's book.

Coz it sounds purty?

ocd

Thanks for clarifying!

Steven

Good one!

Thanks all for the suggestions. I just printed out the IMSLP reference above for the Klindworth edition and will compare fingerings w/ Alfred. Paderewski sounds more authoritative, but hey, you can't beat IMSLP for a quick reference check. I would think after all these years, someone would have come out w/ the definitive fingering on this etude for "normal"-sized hands...