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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581424
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[b] I can never hear enough of Mikhail Pletnev's playing.
I like his Rachmaninoff and Prokofiev - that is all I've heard. [/b]
Ahhh, check out his Chopin!! Deutcha grammaphon 453 456-2. Incredible! His Scriabin Preludes are also wonderful. (Virgin Classics)


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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581425
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Kissin is awsome. I don't really agree he is not mature yet.

What about Sergio Fiorentino? i've heard him playing liszt and chopin and hi is ... i can not tell.

And when I get tired of the modern pianists, I always put on some cds by Josef Hofmann and Ignaz Friedman (sometimes it seems friedman never knew what a metronome is, and that's great). smile

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581426
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Kissin the best pianist? Not sure about that, as I find him too inconsistent. But what is definitely certain in my mind is he's got the BEST HAIRCUT. He'd give Paderewski serious competition in that department.

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581427
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[b] He plays the Bach-Busoni Chaconne better than Busoni himself (and I LOVE Busoni!).

Mel
I wasn't aware Busoni recorded his version of the Chaconne. Or are you old enough to have heard him live? [/b]
Busoni's recordings are absolute 'must haves', here:


Grand Piano: Liszt, Bach/Busoni & Chopin


The Liszt Polonaise in E with Busoni's coda is terrific and Feux Follets is hair-raising.

I also have Busoni's glorious performances of "Norma" and "Don Juan".

Liszt's student, Sgambati once said to Busoni, "The way you played quite reminded me of the master, more so than any of his real pupils".

Mel


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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581428
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Please explain this inconsistency that you find in Kissin.

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581429
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YEah.... Grigory Sokolov! The Legend of the piano~


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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581430
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Originally posted by jello_g:
Kissin the best pianist? Not sure about that, as I find him too inconsistent. But what is definitely certain in my mind is he's got the BEST HAIRCUT. He'd give Paderewski serious competition in that department.
I think the correct term (not that it makes any sense) would he has the best hair grow... laugh

I'll try and find those CDs next time I'm CD shopping. I like what I have heard of Pletnev a lot, I listen to his Paganini Rhapsody recording a lot - his playing is very clean and when you listen to it you can hear exactly what he is doing with the music. But with all the bravura that this kind of music desires.

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581431
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Please explain this inconsistency that you find in Kissin.
I really admire his earlier recordings. I experience a sense of freedom and abandon here, qualities that are somewhat absent in his later recordings. He has become a shade too cold for me. His readings are excellent, but do not sparkle any more. I am still a fan, but I have to search for something that I would consider great nowadays. Perhaps inconsistent is the wrong word, as I find the majority of his later discography consistently non-spectacular. Just my thoughts.

FYI, I don't have a "best" pianist, although I do favour many players for specific genres or even just selected pieces. It's so subjective, that I'd rather not corner myself by splitting hairs on who is best and who isn't.

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581432
07/26/06 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Drake:
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Originally posted by dannylux:
[b] He plays the Bach-Busoni Chaconne better than Busoni himself (and I LOVE Busoni!).

Mel
I wasn't aware Busoni recorded his version of the Chaconne. Or are you old enough to have heard him live? [/b]
Busoni's recordings are absolute 'must haves', here:


Grand Piano: Liszt, Bach/Busoni & Chopin


The Liszt Polonaise in E with Busoni's coda is terrific and Feux Follets is hair-raising.

I also have Busoni's glorious performances of "Norma" and "Don Juan".

Liszt's student, Sgambati once said to Busoni, "The way you played quite reminded me of the master, more so than any of his real pupils".

Mel [/b]
Those are piano roll recordings. They are not valid representations of how Busoni actually played.

Busoni did make about 25 minutes worth of acoustic recordings. Despite the antiquated sonics, they reveal a pianist technically and musically sky high above Kissin.


Hank Drake

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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581433
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^Where can one find these recordings of Busoni?

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581434
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You can find the acoustic Busoni recordings here:

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=15124

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581435
07/27/06 04:21 PM
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Back to the main subject, in my opinion, Evgeny Kissin is not the best ever, nor even the best of our time. Like anyone, he has his strengths and weaknesses.

For me his primary weakness is his reticence to go outside the mainstream repertoire. If I have recordings of Rubinstein, Horowitz, Kapell, Fleischer, et cetera playing repertiore staples, I'm not likely to be interested in getting someone else's--unless that pianist sheds extraordinary new light on the work in question. For me, Kissin's performances offer little that is new. Now that he's no longer a child prodigy, the novelty has worn off.

However, one recent recording of Kissin's I can wholeheartedly recommend is his recent recording of Scriabin's Third Sonata. Playing of astonishing poetry and beauty of tone. Let's hope he keeps this up.


Hank Drake

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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581436
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I am totally convinced that Rubinstein was the most natural pianist. All other pianists seem more or less contrived in comparison.

Wilhelm Kempff played with great warmth and Sultanov played marvellously at the van Cliburn competition.

Kissin played well when he was young. I have a very nice recording with him playing two Mozart concertos.

I don´t like smart pianists that try to create a meaning or a contrived feeling or effect with a piece instead of playing with spontaneous musicality. Those kind of interpretations appeal to people who are trying hard to understand a piece and want a meaning on a plate.

That is why I prefer Rubinstein to Horowitz.


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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581437
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However, one recent recording of Kissin's I can wholeheartedly recommend is his recent recording of Scriabin's Third Sonata. Playing of astonishing poetry and beauty of tone. Let's hope he keeps this up.
Yah, I have that recording. It's really good.


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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581438
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I am really trying to understand Cziffra, but the more I try, the more I realize that despite his literally God-like motor skills, precision and near demonic speed with which he plays, there is little music to be heard. It just doesn't speak to me, it has no depth or feeling. Cziffra sounds like an automoton.

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581439
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I am really trying to understand Cziffra, but the more I try, the more I realize that despite his literally God-like motor skills, precision and near demonic speed with which he plays, there is little music to be heard. It just doesn't speak to me, it has no depth or feeling. Cziffra sounds like an automoton.
To each his own...but Cziffra is amazing if you ask me wink

Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581440
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Cziffra sounds like an automoton.
I agree.


Hank Drake

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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581441
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Sokolov, Nelson Freiere, Argerich, Rubinstein and Kapell.


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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581442
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it took a while for rubinstein to start appearing on people's lists.


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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581443
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not man people like him. Although I rather enjoy his Pathetique Sonata.


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Re: Evgeny Kissin the Best? Who Else? #581444
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Dubravka. Check her out........Rubenstein thought so highly of her that he brought her over from Slovenia to train her himself when she was 12 years old. Her Chopin is unparalleled!!


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