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Just wondered if anyone had any tips on playing triplets in one hand and ordinary quavers (duplets?) in the other. I've come accross a few pieces where this is needed and I can never play more than a couple of bars without losing the rhythm completely
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You can get your knickers in a knot if you think too hard about the 2 against three!
The easiest way to do them it to think about meshing the 2nd eighth in the duple so it fits just in between the 2nd and third eighth-note in the triplet.
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The only way I am able to do this is to get the triplet hand down cold, so I can play it basically on autopilot, and then add in the other hand.
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A bit of crude advice but it works for me. Get the melody down cold in your mind and play however you have to to bring out the melody. Drag the notes in however you can. Hearing the melody is the important thing. Eventually it will smooth out. A metronome ticking in the background can help but it must be an almost subconscious aid at this point.
Slow down and do it right.
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The above three bit of advice are probably the best you'll get. Others will demonstrate how to count them and other ingenious stuff, but when it comes to doing it you just have to do it. This way you'll get a feel for it that will transfer to other polyrhythms. Don't do them too slowly.
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WELCOME!
I have the same exact problem. I have to do it in a Rachmaninoff piece I'm doing and it is pretty difficult. I tried two methods:
1. Keep practicing each over and over and over again HANDS ALONE and then try putting them both together very slowly. VERY slowly.
2. (this is the one that seems to work with me, but it's harder) Practice them both again VERY slowly and then match them up: like how many duplets go between triplets, etc. And as you get faster, it'll become more natural.
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Figure out each hand separately, until the left hand is easy for you. Then add in the right, I find it hard to count triplets against duples if you are not at a reasonable speed. Take it slow, but you must have a pulse, or then you'll be trying to figure when the notes fall (exactly, where you really need to focus on the beats).
Try tapping the rhythms with your hands, each hand triplet and duple respectively.
When counting, there are lots of ways to say things, but a tried and true (and the best) way to count triplets is: 1-lah-lee 2-lah-lee, 3-lah-lee, 4-lah-lee. This will keep each part of the triplet the same number of sylables, and lah and lee together just make it easier. I guess 1-and-uh 2-and-uh etc would work, but I personallly like the lah lee meathod. Oh and for duples, just count du-ple du-ple du-ple.
I hoped this has helped, when I practice I tend to use a combination, I'll often count triplets (out loud or in my head) and nod my head to the duple. A metronome is also good so you stay with a consistant tempo (pick a reasonable tempo).
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Actually, there's an easy way to play 2 against three. Think of the triplet notes and count "one-and-two-and-three-and...". You are playing the triplet notes on the words "one," "two," and "three." Now, keep only the 2nd "and", so you are now saying, "one, two-and three..." The triplet notes are played on the words "one," "two," and "three". The duple notes are played on "one" and "and".
After lots of practice this eventually becomes second nature and you won't have to count anymore.
Hopefully that's clear?
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1 2 3 4 5 6 x x x x x
For some reason it's not letting me post spaces... maybe someone else will have better luck. (I've tried it three times now with no success.)
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Try saying, "1, 2, and 3." The first part of the duplet is on the "1" and the second is on the "and". Edit: Sorry, this is repeating what has already been said
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Thanks Wombat!!
Caperflutist's (organ teacher's) idea with the Mary Poppins song Chim chim che-ree is pure genious! The triplets are on Chim chim ree - and the doublets are on Chim and che. EASY!!!
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