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Re: NEED HELP fast #562672
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I'd go for Debussy's Engulfed Cathedral (I'm too lazy to pick up the CD and find the French title) from Book One of Preludes!

IMO, Chopin is so overblown, overdone, abrasive, common, and boring--If he were a wine, he'd be Chardonnay! :p


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Re: NEED HELP fast #562673
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Better yet, do Erik Satie's Vexations, and follow all directions EXACTLY (even if it kills you or else you're a frickin' loser)!!


"Thinking is more interesting than knowing, but less interesting than looking" - Goethe
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Ravel, Scarbo, that one will do it.

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Vote for Scarbo seconded.

Or Islamey.


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10 minutes is long for single-movement work. Most run 3 to 5 minutes, including most of what has already been recommended. If it really must be 10 minutes, Three Movements from Petrushka by Stravinsky will bust a few fingers. Something easier and unusual would be the Carousel Waltz by Richard Rodgers.


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Isn't the Petrushka arrangement for piano 15 minutes long?

Re: NEED HELP fast #562678
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IMO, Chopin is so overblown, overdone, abrasive, common, and boring--If he were a wine, he'd be Chardonnay!

I'm sure that you would be able to whip out something comparable. Since they are so common why don't you compose an Etude of at least 1/2 the quality? It shouldn't tax you too prohibitively.


I'm a fool for Chopin. The biggest mistake in my life......Thinking that fishing was more fun than Bach when I was younger.
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The "overdone", "common" and "boring" comments above were really in reference to the fact that there is just so much Chopin heard all the time on the radio and in performance. Given the fact that I don't like his music all that much anymore (I used to listen to a great deal of it when I first became interested in classical music over 15 years ago), I'd really rather hear more variety, especially of more modern composers. And Bach. We can never get enough Bach!

Honestly, I like some of Chopin's nocturnes, and a small handful of his other pieces, but aside from that, most of his music seems either bombastic or self-pitying to me. Personally, I think Chopin is one of the most overrated composers in history. In general (not thinking of piano music here per se), I think many lesser-known composers such as Heitor Villa Lobos, Hugo Wolf, and Max Reger (the list goes on) wrote vastly more interesting music.

Suffice it to say that if I did have any ability as a composer, I would not be interested in writing in anything resembling Chopin's style.

And as far as being taxed prohibitively, I live in Canada, so enough said! Come to B.C sometime and enjoy paying $30 for a $7 bottle of wine! And while you're here, come by and have a look at my vast collection of model airplanes (I see from your profile you're interested in aviation.) smile


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Re: NEED HELP fast #562680
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I'd go for Debussy's Engulfed Cathedral (I'm too lazy to pick up the CD and find the French title) from Book One of Preludes!

Do you mean "La Cathedrale Engloutie"? If you do, I don't think it's 10 min, and also it doesn't look difficult enough for a sr (but I haven't played it - just looked at it). But then again, the touch may be a challenge for anyone, as it's Debussy....

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How about Scriabin's Piano Sonata No. 5 ??

Re: NEED HELP fast #562682
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O.K. Lets see now, vastly overrated?????

"Chopin is the true inventor of the concert etude"

"the intensity of detail and the mastery of complex polyphonic form in chopins music have no parallel in his own time"

"the later Mazurkas may help us to understand Chopins mastery of large forms"

"none of Chopins contemporaries could rival him for the variety and effectiveness of his treatment of the return"

"chopins unsurpassed feeling for the long line. this is shown by the development of the sonata in Bbm, the most tightly organized of sthe three sonatas.

"this is the true paradox of chopin: he is most original in his use of the most fundamental and traditional technique. That is what made him at the same time the most conservative and the most radical composer of his generation."

All quoted material is from THE ROMANTIC GENERATION by Charles Rosen

I can not say that I like all composers works but, far be it for me to belittle their accomplishments which are far and above anything that I could muster up. I don't care for all of Chopins works but I do recogonize his mastery of dissonance and tone color. The only composer even close is Debussy. Do I think that chopin is the worlds greatest composer? no but I do feel a pull to defend what I see as great music and a form that no other composers have equaled.

Rant, rant, scream, cry and rant again.

lets get two Sopwith Camels and we will have at it in the blue.


I'm a fool for Chopin. The biggest mistake in my life......Thinking that fishing was more fun than Bach when I was younger.
Re: NEED HELP fast #562683
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All quoted material is from THE ROMANTIC GENERATION by Charles Rosen
Have any thoughts of your own on the subject, or do you rely solely on the arguments of others to try and prove your point? :p wink


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I use Mr. Rosens statements because he is far more eloquent and has a vastly superior intellectual understanding of the subject at hand and has researched it far more than I have. Much the same as if you were taking a college course in applied engineering, would the course professor ask you for a stress analysis on your subjective thoughts or would he or she expect you to solve the problem based on published data avaliable through the course books?????????????????


I'm a fool for Chopin. The biggest mistake in my life......Thinking that fishing was more fun than Bach when I was younger.
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Sheepdip (Is your screen name taken from a Gary Larson cartoon???), after reading your copied and pasted Chopin propaganda, I learned something new about myself--that is, that I can yawn and read simultaneously for 25 seconds. After reading this overblown tripe, I became very sleepy and went to take a short nap.

After waking up from my nap, I then came back to write the following:

It should be very evident to anyone that my opinions are just that--my opinion. Take 'em or leave 'em--just as Rosen's opinion's are his opinions. I really couldn't care less how much of a genius some critic thinks George Sands' b*tch was, if I don't like his music, no amount of wasted ink is going to convince me that I'm "wrong". Go listen to a real composer--like Astor Piazzolla. WORD TO YO MOMMA!

PS: I'll take a Focke Wolfe-190, Thank you very much!


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Re: NEED HELP fast #562686
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[b] You can't be serious that op. 9 no. 3 is one of the more difficult nocturnes... I'm even working on it laugh ! That must be a piece of cake to play if I can even play it smile !

With it's Agitato essentially a 6 against 4, the melody coming on the beat and the middle voices coming on the half beat, you call this a "piece of cake?!" Not in my book, it isn't! [/b]
Thanks Bruce, I thought I was going mad for a second!

Re: NEED HELP fast #562687
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most of his music seems either bombastic or self-pitying to me.
Perhaps not a Mahler fan either? laugh

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Re: NEED HELP fast #562688
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I use Mr. Rosens statements because he is far more eloquent and has a vastly superior intellectual understanding of the subject at hand and has researched it far more than I have. Much the same as if you were taking a college course in applied engineering, would the course professor ask you for a stress analysis on your subjective thoughts or would he or she expect you to solve the problem based on published data avaliable through the course books?????????????????
I would expect a concrete answer to a finite problem. Music, however, is art, and there is no one "right" person when it comes to art. This means that everyone has an equally "right" voice based on their own ideas. Nobody is "more right" than anybody else. A person who says, "Chopin is horrible" is just as 'right' as someone who says "Chopin is brilliant." Some people find this a difficult concept to grasp...I'll pause here. Let me know when I can continue the lecture. wink


Ah, and as a side note: Art does not require one to have a "superior intellectual understanding" of anything in order to be appreciated. That's precisely why it is art...it can appeal to everyone, regardless of race, creed, color, age, gender, background, or intellectual capacity. (This is also why I love art.)


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