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Re: NEED HELP fast #562682
03/26/06 12:36 AM
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O.K. Lets see now, vastly overrated?????

"Chopin is the true inventor of the concert etude"

"the intensity of detail and the mastery of complex polyphonic form in chopins music have no parallel in his own time"

"the later Mazurkas may help us to understand Chopins mastery of large forms"

"none of Chopins contemporaries could rival him for the variety and effectiveness of his treatment of the return"

"chopins unsurpassed feeling for the long line. this is shown by the development of the sonata in Bbm, the most tightly organized of sthe three sonatas.

"this is the true paradox of chopin: he is most original in his use of the most fundamental and traditional technique. That is what made him at the same time the most conservative and the most radical composer of his generation."

All quoted material is from THE ROMANTIC GENERATION by Charles Rosen

I can not say that I like all composers works but, far be it for me to belittle their accomplishments which are far and above anything that I could muster up. I don't care for all of Chopins works but I do recogonize his mastery of dissonance and tone color. The only composer even close is Debussy. Do I think that chopin is the worlds greatest composer? no but I do feel a pull to defend what I see as great music and a form that no other composers have equaled.

Rant, rant, scream, cry and rant again.

lets get two Sopwith Camels and we will have at it in the blue.


I'm a fool for Chopin. The biggest mistake in my life......Thinking that fishing was more fun than Bach when I was younger.
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Re: NEED HELP fast #562683
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All quoted material is from THE ROMANTIC GENERATION by Charles Rosen
Have any thoughts of your own on the subject, or do you rely solely on the arguments of others to try and prove your point? :p wink


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I use Mr. Rosens statements because he is far more eloquent and has a vastly superior intellectual understanding of the subject at hand and has researched it far more than I have. Much the same as if you were taking a college course in applied engineering, would the course professor ask you for a stress analysis on your subjective thoughts or would he or she expect you to solve the problem based on published data avaliable through the course books?????????????????


I'm a fool for Chopin. The biggest mistake in my life......Thinking that fishing was more fun than Bach when I was younger.
Re: NEED HELP fast #562685
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Sheepdip (Is your screen name taken from a Gary Larson cartoon???), after reading your copied and pasted Chopin propaganda, I learned something new about myself--that is, that I can yawn and read simultaneously for 25 seconds. After reading this overblown tripe, I became very sleepy and went to take a short nap.

After waking up from my nap, I then came back to write the following:

It should be very evident to anyone that my opinions are just that--my opinion. Take 'em or leave 'em--just as Rosen's opinion's are his opinions. I really couldn't care less how much of a genius some critic thinks George Sands' b*tch was, if I don't like his music, no amount of wasted ink is going to convince me that I'm "wrong". Go listen to a real composer--like Astor Piazzolla. WORD TO YO MOMMA!

PS: I'll take a Focke Wolfe-190, Thank you very much!


"Thinking is more interesting than knowing, but less interesting than looking" - Goethe
Re: NEED HELP fast #562686
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[b] You can't be serious that op. 9 no. 3 is one of the more difficult nocturnes... I'm even working on it laugh ! That must be a piece of cake to play if I can even play it smile !

With it's Agitato essentially a 6 against 4, the melody coming on the beat and the middle voices coming on the half beat, you call this a "piece of cake?!" Not in my book, it isn't! [/b]
Thanks Bruce, I thought I was going mad for a second!

Re: NEED HELP fast #562687
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most of his music seems either bombastic or self-pitying to me.
Perhaps not a Mahler fan either? laugh

- Michael B.


There are two rules to success in life: Rule #1. Don't tell people everything you know.
Re: NEED HELP fast #562688
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Originally posted by sheepdip:
I use Mr. Rosens statements because he is far more eloquent and has a vastly superior intellectual understanding of the subject at hand and has researched it far more than I have. Much the same as if you were taking a college course in applied engineering, would the course professor ask you for a stress analysis on your subjective thoughts or would he or she expect you to solve the problem based on published data avaliable through the course books?????????????????
I would expect a concrete answer to a finite problem. Music, however, is art, and there is no one "right" person when it comes to art. This means that everyone has an equally "right" voice based on their own ideas. Nobody is "more right" than anybody else. A person who says, "Chopin is horrible" is just as 'right' as someone who says "Chopin is brilliant." Some people find this a difficult concept to grasp...I'll pause here. Let me know when I can continue the lecture. wink


Ah, and as a side note: Art does not require one to have a "superior intellectual understanding" of anything in order to be appreciated. That's precisely why it is art...it can appeal to everyone, regardless of race, creed, color, age, gender, background, or intellectual capacity. (This is also why I love art.)


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