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Re: 1/2 rest in 3/4 time #557420
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Re: 1/2 rest in 3/4 time #557421
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Right, I have found the ultimate authority, in the form of the Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music book Rudiments of Music Theory.

The rule is that a separate rest should be used for each silent beat, with the following exceptions:

a) a semibreve/whole note rest is used for a whole bar's rest in any time except 4/2, when a breve rest is used.
b) in quadruple time (4/4) a half bar's rest at either the beginning or end of the bar is shown by a single rest
c) In compound time a one beat rest may be shown either by a dotted rest or by two rests.

So there you go - that explains why I find plenty of confusion on the 6/8 and 9/8 bars (my edition of Faure's songs uses the two conventions within 2 bars of each other!). Those publishers using a dotted minim in 6/8 are wrong.

And it means that those publishers of choral music that I found using a minim rest in 3/4 are definitely wrong (Breitkopf, Praga, Schott, write out 100 times 'I must not use minim rests in 3/4 time).


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Re: 1/2 rest in 3/4 time #557422
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Originally posted by phonehome:
Well you won't see a whole rest in 3/4 time.
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Yes you will.

Re: 1/2 rest in 3/4 time #557423
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This thread is a perfect example of thinking you understand something only to find out how little you actually know.

A whole rest (semibreve) is equal to the total number of beats in a measure regardless of meter. Isn't a half rest (minim) equal to half the total beats in a measure? Therefore, wouldn't it be equal to 2 beats in 4/4, 1 1/2 beats in 3/4, 3 beats in 6/8 and so on?


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i've always seen two quarter rests, but anyway, it counts for 2 of the 3 beats.


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Re: 1/2 rest in 3/4 time #557425
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Isn't a half rest (minim) equal to half the total beats in a measure? Therefore, wouldn't it be equal to 2 beats in 4/4, 1 1/2 beats in 3/4, 3 beats in 6/8 and so on?
It might be if it were actually used in those meters, but since it's not, the question is moot.

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Re: 1/2 rest in 3/4 time #557426
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I just saw this question - hope it's ok to resuscitate. The half rest is used in 3/4 time if it covers the first two beats. If the last two beats are covered, then two quarter rests are used. The reason is that the conventions of rests also mimic the essence of rhythms of music, and you would not want to emphasize the second beat in 3/4 meter. Generally that's the rule of thumb behind all the conventions about rests.
A whole rest is used in any meter if there are no notes at all in the measure, and simply connotes that this measure is "empty". However, in time signatures with half note gettting the beat, this can't be used, and that is when the double thingy for which I've forgotten the name of isu used = 8 beats.
Compound meter is treated differently since it involves triplets, or triple pulse. Again the idea is not to break up the natural rhythm. Thus your rests will often be dotted rests. The whole note rest for a measure with no notes applies to compound meter.

Complex or hybrid meter will use these same conventions, and the choice of rests depends on how the beats are divided up. This also makes matters more complicated when you have i.e. 9/8 time and you are trying to figure out rests, and first have to know whether this is compound time, or hybrid such as 2+2+2+3 (4+5).

I just finished writing the RCM exams so this is fresh in my memory. Rests in particular were a bane to my existence that I tended to get tripped up on. The source is Barbara Wharram, and I don't know whether it's internationally valid.

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