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#556582 - 03/12/06 12:25 AM Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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Well guys due to the success and fun of the ongoing 10 greatest pianists thread, I figured it'd be fun to have the official PW Top 10 Greatest Concertos as well.

Rules: Once again post your top 5 to 10 concertos in order please (otherwise I can't rank them frown )

Once again #1 will receive 10 points, #2 will receive 9 points, #10 will have 1 point, etc.

Now remember, this is any "Concerto" from any style or time period which features keyboard as its main soloist. Thus this includes clavier/piano/harpsichord/organ/etc concertos of all types.

Once again I shall initiate the ceremony with my list to determine the top 10 Greatest Keyboard Concertos of All Time!


1. Beethoven #5 Eb major "EMPEROR"
2. Brahms #1 D minor
3. Mozart #23 A major
4. Bach D minor
5. Beethoven #4 G major
6. Brahms #2 Bb major
7. Beethoven #3 C minor
8. Mozart #20 D minor
9. Rachmaninoff #3 D minor
10. Schumann A minor

I know my list isn't very interesting, standard popular pieces but these are truly which I love beyond any others! I am however looking forward to the more distinctive choices which will doubtlessly ensue such as the Shostakoviches, Prokofievs, Tchaikovskys, Saint-Saens, Mendelssohns, et al!

Good luck to all composers and their concertos ;-)

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#556583 - 03/12/06 12:30 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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1. Bartok 2
2. Tchaikovsky 1
3. Rachmaninov 3
4. Shostakovich 2
4. Prokofiev 5
5. Prokofiev 2
6. Prokofiev 3
7. Rachmaninov 2
8. Bartok 1
9. Ravel G Major
10. Grieg


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#556584 - 03/12/06 12:36 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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WOW lol Sam...I expected some diversity but nothing like that! I have yet to hear 90% of that list smile Well I heard pieces of most of them but I want to hear them all

But Bartok 2???????? Hardly even knew he wrote 2...

#556585 - 03/12/06 12:41 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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Bartok wrote 3 Piano Concertos. wink

and you should definately listen to every one of those concertos I mentioned, especially Bartok 2. :p


( listen to excerpts of Bartok here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006OS5YS/sr=8-1/qid=1142142457/ref=sr_1_1/104-1776810-0299927?%5Fencoding=UTF8 )


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#556586 - 03/12/06 12:42 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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In no particular order:

Rach 2, Rach 3, Tch 1, Mendelssohn Gm, Beethoven "Emperor", Brahms Dm, Grieg Am, Liszt 1, and I'll leave the last two slots open "to posterity" or perhaps "for the gods". :p wink


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#556587 - 03/12/06 12:58 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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Derulux,

What recording of the Mendelssohn is your favorite ?

Sam,

I shall get the Bartok 2, is the Andsnes your favorite interpretation ?


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#556588 - 03/12/06 01:00 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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Daniel, I listen to Andsnes's recording:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006OS5YS/sr=8-1/qid=1142142457/ref=sr_1_1/104-1776810-0299927?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Bartok's other concertos are also really good, particularly the 1st.


Have you heard Serkin's recording of the Mendelssohn Concertos? thumb


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If these are the "ten greatest concertos", then they are "great" by what criteria?

Or are we saying "These are my ten favourite concertos..." There's a difference.


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#556590 - 03/12/06 01:06 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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Or are we saying "These are my ten favourite concertos..." There's a difference.
Certainly these aren't my only 10 favorite (nor are they the 'greatest'), but they are definately among my favorites. wink


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Bruce, it's a combination of the two, "These are the 10 Greatest Concertos in accordance with my Opinion!" ;-)

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If these are the "ten greatest concertos", then they are "great" by what criteria?

Or are we saying "These are my ten favourite concertos..." There's a difference.

It is improbable to separate the two. I find it paradoxical for an individual to find anything "great" and yet they do not appreciate it, unless you were to mean something where villains dwell...in which case, there are many composers whose concertos I think fall into that category (of "great" because they are deplorable). But then, the "great" ones that I like far exceed the "great" ones that I find deplorable, so this is still an exercise in futility.

But I will give Saint-Saens 2 an honorable mention for "worst concerto ever". Perhaps we could name this category the "Hitler Great", after a man whom, I'm sure we'd all agree, was great, though deplorably so.

What recording of the Mendelssohn is your favorite ?

Currently, it's actually Lang Lang's, but there are many interpretations left to listen to I am sure.


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#556593 - 03/12/06 01:20 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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I think I have serkin's Mendelssohn, they are awesome

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as for worst concerto ever I think that (dis)honor goes to Dvorak! It's so bad no one even knows he wrote a concerto but how wrong they are! ;-)

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It is interesting. I've never heard Dvorak's piano concerto, but his "New World Suite" is among my favorite orchestral works of all-time.


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as for worst concerto ever I think that (dis)honor goes to Dvorak! It's so bad no one even knows he wrote a concerto but how wrong they are! ;-)
Dvorak's concerto is quite nice. Richter recorded it 3 times, Ohlsson and Aimard both play it. It's definitely not a bad work.

Try listening to it before you judge it.

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Derulux,
What recording of the Mendelssohn is your favorite ?
Whatever you do, don't getLang Lang's recording - it's pure garbage. The best recording I've heard - and I've heard most of them - is Howard Shelley. LINK

Second best would probably be Serkin.


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I tried already smile Not an experience I'd like to relive smile

#556598 - 03/12/06 02:39 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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Going to have to disagree seriously with whoever said Lang Lang's Mendelssohn is "pure garbage" - the playing is stunning, and it is the type of work that suits his temperament very, very well. To my ears, he plays it much better than anybody else I've heard, including Thibaudet, Hough, Shelley, Serkin, Perahia, etc.

Unfortunately, the Tchaikovsky on the same disc is rather atrocious in my opinion. But this does not detract from the Mendelssohn. Lang Lang's recording is my favourite for this work by far.


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I agree...the Tchaikovsky on the same CD is probably my least favorite. (And I'm not a huge fan of his Rach 2 either.) But the Mendelssohn...very nice. smile


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Going to have to disagree seriously with whoever said Lang Lang's Mendelssohn is "pure garbage" - the playing is stunning, and it is the type of work that suits his temperament very, very well.
Well I will say that it's not filled with the usual Lang Lang quirks, but it just feels a little bit 'autopilot' for my tastes. Quite similar to his Haydn sonata at Carnegie hall - he can play the notes, but you get the feeling he has no thoughts to go along with them.

You're right though, the Tchaikovsky is disturbingly bad.


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1)Beethoven 4
2)Mozart 23
3)Brahms 2
4)Rach 2
5)Bartok 2
6)Beethoven 5
7)Mendelssohn 1
8)Shostakovich 2
9)Brahms 1
10)Liszt Totentanz

Pianojerome, You can fit in the Tchaikovsky 1 but no Beethoven. For shame :-P

#556602 - 03/12/06 04:32 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!  
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I couldn't narrow it down to 20, let alone 10. Maybe 10 composers: Mozart, Beethoven, Schumann, Chopin, Brahms, Liszt, Saint-Saens, Ravel, Rachmaninoff, and Prokofiev. And even there, I probably forgot and left somebody out.


Recently I've been exploring some of the lesser known concertos. There are some good ones out there that don't get much mention: Dvorak, (especially) Paderewski, Scharwenka, Poulenc, Busoni, Khachaturian...

Any other good ones I'm missing out on?

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1. Liszt Totentanz
2. Mozart No. 27
3. Beethoven No. 4
4. Ravel Piano concerto for the left hand
5. J. S. Bach D minor
6. Mozart No. 23
7. J. S. Bach F minor
8. Mozart No. 20
9. Mozart No. 22
10. Busoni (gets a place, because it's the greatest piano concerto ever written, and I've managed to listen to it twice despite the fact)

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Looks like I have a slightly other taste smile :

1- Rachmaninov no. 3
2- Rachmaninov no. 2
3- Tchaikovsky no. 1
4- Chopin no. 1
5- Schumann
6- Brahms no. 1
7- Beethoven no. 4
8- Grieg
9- Prokofiev no. 2
10- Mozart no. 23


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as for worst concerto ever I think that (dis)honor goes to Dvorak! It's so bad no one even knows he wrote a concerto but how wrong they are! ;-)
I was thinking about putting that one on my list. It's wonderful!! The orchestration is great (as should be expected from Dvorak), and I just love the melodies in the 3rd movement especially.


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[b]If these are the "ten greatest concertos", then they are "great" by what criteria?

Or are we saying "These are my ten favourite concertos..." There's a difference.

It is improbable to separate the two. I find it paradoxical for an individual to find anything "great" and yet they do not appreciate it, [/b]
There's nothing necessarily paradoxical about it at all. If I am reading critical biographies of composers whose works I do not know well enough to judge their "greatness" but am told by more than one esteemed historian that these works are indeed among the greatest in the genre, then I would have to acknowledge their "greatness" even though I could not voice an opinion on whether or not I like them.

Conversely, for someone to list (his/her) top 10 Greatest Keyboard Concertos of All Time! (sure sounds like a pop list to me) in one post and then say s/he hasn't heard 90% of the ten (fairly standard works) listed in the following post, then I do believe we are talking about personal likes rather than criteria of greatness. So, yes, there is a difference between establishing criteria of what makes a work great and more simply just listing the works that one likes.

Hence, my question : Are we talking about what concertos we like best - which is what seems to be the case - or are we trying to compile a list of what concertos are really considered among the greatest written? If the latter be the case, I was merely asking by what criteria we are going to judge their greatness.


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Brucey me boy you're thinking too much into this all! Semantics can be argued to all eternity you know that! Whether you title it greatness or "opion OF" greatness what's the difference, obviously physics nor mathematics can accurately prove which piece is "greater" than another so obviously anytime someone claims greatness it should inherently understood as OPINION ONLY!

The list is done to see which pieces get the most points and make the top 10 so that we can see (for fun) the general breakdown of what people at PianoWorld think are the top 10 pieces. Do you get it now??????????

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OK, now that you've explained that this is a popularity poll, I understand the rules of the game. That's all I was asking.


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Are not ALL POLLS popularity polls? Even Time Magazine's top 100 Innovators or anything of that sort. Nobel Peace Prize, it's all about popularity and opinion. No one in the world can actually PROVE that anything is better or greater than something else, who can PROVE to me Einstein is greater than Newton, for anything you say I can easily counter you with my own "opinion". So in a sense I just feel it's just a given and should be inherently understood that ALL POLLS are opinion/popularity polls wouldn't you agree? Unless of course the poll specifically states something mathematically like, "list the top 10 grossing movies of all time" obviously that can be deduced and quanticized because you can look at the figures and see which movie made more money.

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This post is digressing into an intellectual chatter fest...


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I agree, care to put us back on track and list your top 10? smile

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