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Accidental duplicate...oh, well - Any idea how to get a tape? #554965
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I checked and I thought I didn't see any threads about Olga Kern, but nooooo..I missed it.

So, I'll just ask a quetsion I asked in my original thread. Anyone know how I could get a CD or smething of this? Note, I don't have cable TV (if this matters).

Thanks!.

Ariel

P.S. She really sounds fabulous. Maybe we'll finally have a female "master" (since that's been under discussion).


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Re: Accidental duplicate...oh, well - Any idea how to get a tape? #554966
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P.S. She really sounds fabulous. Maybe we'll finally have a female "master" (since that's been under discussion).
Let's see: Argerich, de la Rocha, Bachauer, Clara Haskil, Rosalyn Tureck...want some more names?

Olga Kern is a competition winner, and far from a "master."

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[b] P.S. She really sounds fabulous. Maybe we'll finally have a female "master" (since that's been under discussion).
Let's see: Argerich, de la Rocha, Bachauer, Clara Haskil, Rosalyn Tureck...want some more names?
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Yes! Annie Fischer!! mad smile


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Re: Accidental duplicate...oh, well - Any idea how to get a tape? #554968
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Leonskaja, Nikolaeva, Tipo, Tomsic.

And personally, I'll take Katia Skanavi over Olga Kern. (Skanavi was a finalist in a previous Cliburn competition.)

And let's not forget some master teachers as well: Cecile Genhardt, Rosina Lhevinne, Jane Allen.

Anyway...there's a few more off the top of my head.


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Re: Accidental duplicate...oh, well - Any idea how to get a tape? #554969
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How about Frau Schumann, and Adele Marcus, and Uchida, and Ruth Loredo, and .....

Re: Accidental duplicate...oh, well - Any idea how to get a tape? #554970
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Rosina Lhevinne...can't believe I forgot her.

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I was really asking for it! I made a truly ignorant statement, and I'm sorry. My only excuse is that I posted after not having slept the night, Not being your super educated music person to start with, I was merely repeating what I thought I had read in previous threads - that women had not approached the "Pantheon". At the very least in terms of recognition.

I reread (all of it) "Sex, Anyone?' - one of the threads where I thought I had seen this - and there is no such reference. Scary. My son says I do this more and more. Score one for him!

(Grasping at straws) perhaps I recalled a discussion about female composers compared to male. Or maybe it was a reflection - and I KNOW this has been discussed - on why so many women excel in piano study, and in winning major competitions, but do not go on in proportionate numbers to a celebrated career.

Well, thanks for all the names, about half of which were new to me. (Now, can I get out of the doghouse?) I'm actually gratified see such a sprited defense rebutting my dumbell contention!

And - back to topic. Anyone have an idea how to get recordings of these concerts - or when it might be broadcast (or achived) by radio?

Ariel


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Orlando! Just read your signature line - new, I believe. That sure wouldn't have psssed the filter in English.


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Sorry you got jumped all over. Over time there are more great male pianists than female.
I don't think many people would put Olga Kern up as the peson who will finally set things right,though.

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Ariel:

From the reviews, do you really want to go to the trouble of getting tapes of this performance? If she is everything she promises out to be, there will be CDs (already?) and videos in good time.

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No. Ariel has a point, and it has been discussed. I do not know if there has been a woman pianist to reach the level of fame and celebrity like Horowitz or Rubinstein. Still, many a well-known male pianist hasn't either. The difference is that I think there have been women pianists who come really really close to these two, but somehow it's different.

Going out on a limb now... just off the top of my head... do not want to offend anyone... could it be that compared to giving birth, all else is subordinated? Therefore women are held to a higher standard? No matter what she does, it will not compare? I do not mean that women cannot do great things, and they do great things every day at the same or higher level of achievement as men in all walks of life, including being great pianists. In music it's just not appreciated the same way for some reason. Or is it just me?

Is it something as simple as male dominance being taken for granted for so long, or is this built into the human psyche? Or is it a product of patriarchal society? Ah! What if we re-established matriarchy, would we then be observing a different phenomenon? Would the pinnacle of achievement in music be dominated by women? (OGM, is that the Coffee Room entrance just ahead!? eek )

And now for something completely sexist...

"Why teach women such boring things as law, medicine, science and journalism, which men excel in, when women are so fitted for a task which men can never dream of attempting, and that is to make life bearable." --Jean Renoir (to his son)

"make life bearable" Hm. Bear life. Hm.

Is there a new paradigm that would meld the two: patriarchy and matriarchy? Perhaps modern times is seeing some of this happening?

Something to think about.


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The Cliburn people have tapes of all competition performances available. Just give 'em a call.


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"Why teach women such boring things as law, medicine, science and journalism, which men excel in, when women are so fitted for a task which men can never dream of attempting, and that is to make life bearable." --Jean Renoir (to his son)
Are you sure it was not Auguste Renoir, Jean's father ?

BTW, Jean Renoir has been my absolute reference for decades.
Have you seen "Une partie de campagne" ? Or "La Regle du Jeu (Rules of the game)?


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