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#554349 - 12/17/01 12:39 PM Another Question ....  
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I have a recital coming up and I was wondering what songs I should play.

Right now I am picking between just playing the entire Beethoven piano sonata 23...

or Liebestraume by Liszt, and only the last movement from The Beethoven piano sonata 23.
( which I love)


So the two songs or the one....
What do you people think will sound better?

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#554350 - 12/17/01 06:16 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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PIECE! Call it a piece if it has no words. Thsi comes from a disscussion that we had a long time ago. Play Liebstraum. I wish that I could play that piece. Its so beautifull.


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#554351 - 12/17/01 08:02 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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I agree with Jgoo, they are called pieces, not songs.

I don't mean to be rude but I question your piano technical ability, if you can't even manage the simplest of terminology.


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I don't mean to be rude but I question your piano technical ability, if you can't even manage the simplest of terminology.


What d-ya mean?!? Its difficult, I have attempted it several times, maybe making it past the first page or two, but never further. I'd like some more explination, if your gona' insult me like that! Otherwise, I wouldn't have minded. (If there was a bit of explanation behind you statement).


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#554353 - 12/17/01 11:01 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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I agree with Jgoo, they are called pieces, not songs.


He wasn't talking to you, jgoo.

#554354 - 12/17/01 11:05 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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OH, DEAR GOD NO! I'VE JUST REALIZED, VOID MY LAST MESSAGE. IT SOUNDS TOO... ZELDAISH. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE CAUSE OF ANY STUPID THING LIKE WHAT WE SAW BEFORE. BYE THE WAY, BRENDAN: LOVED THAT FABULOUS GUY! IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT HE MAY MAKE AN ENCORE APPEARANCE?


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#554355 - 12/17/01 11:08 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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#554356 - 12/18/01 03:26 AM Re: Another Question ....  
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i think we should lay off classical player for calling pieces songs, after all (s)he's from canada...


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#554357 - 12/18/01 11:44 AM Re: Another Question ....  
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"I don't mean to be rude but I question your piano technical ability, if you can't even manage the simplest of terminology."



Sounds rude to me. Geez - give the guy/girl a break! Or at least correct him/her NICELY. smile Jodi

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#554358 - 12/18/01 12:03 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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From Canada? Rodion! What in the *&#$ is that supposed to mean?!
mad mad

Its also a pet peeve of mine when people call instrumental works 'songs'. It cheapens them somehow. (no offence to any singers out there) wink


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#554359 - 12/18/01 12:34 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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Back to the original question....

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Originally posted by Classical Player:
I have a recital coming up and I was wondering what songs I should play.

Right now I am picking between just playing the entire Beethoven piano sonata 23...

or Liebestraume by Liszt, and only the last movement from The Beethoven piano sonata 23.
( which I love)


So the two songs or the one....
What do you people think will sound better?


I am making the assumption that you are studying with a teacher...so I wonder what his/her opinion is or are you allowed to choose for yourself? If this is a recital with several students you may want to find out what others are playing.....I recently attended a recital where repetition seemed to be the theme...not enough variety to keep the audience attention.

Recitals, for some, can jolt the nerves so I would suggest that you play what you love and feel most proficiant at. Tastes and levels of accomplishment vary on this board so I am sure you will get a wide range of suggestions.

Good luck with whatever you choose...keep us posted!

Anne

#554360 - 12/18/01 01:44 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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Yeah, Rodent!!! ER...sorry... that's Rodion wink
What's with the Canada thing?

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#554361 - 12/18/01 03:09 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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After reading this post I think that some of us need to be a bit nicer to each other. Classical Player is new here and we need to welcome him/her.

If I were you I would probably play Liebestraume because the other may bore the audience if they do not know classical music well.


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#554362 - 12/18/01 04:03 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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relax, i'm just joking, don't worry i'm a big kids in the hall fan.


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#554363 - 12/18/01 05:27 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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What the ... ! Did everyone get up on the wrong side of the bed today? Like my mom used to say, "There must be bad weather coming."

Incorrect usage of the word 'song' is a pet peeves of mine also, but Classical Player cannot be faulted if s/he was never taught. It is up to us to correct p*o*l*i*t*e*l*y.

Hope everyone's day turned out pretty good.


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#554364 - 12/18/01 06:28 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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i agree with bernard, i was making a joke about canada, nothing personal against our friend. to actually correct him or her it wouldn't be hard to do so politely.


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#554365 - 12/18/01 07:53 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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Hey! Canada's cool!

I know, I absolutely hate it when my school friends call pieces songs. "So, what song are you learning now? What's your favorite piano song?" Grrr!!


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#554366 - 12/18/01 08:13 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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If Classical Player is capable of playing Beethoven Op 57 in recital then I for one wouldn't be casting aspersions on his/her technical ability.

CP,

I'm not sure playing only the 3rd movt of the Beethoven is such a good idea. Those fortissimo diminished sevenths at the beginning will sound much less effective without being built up to at the end of the slow movt. So probably a good idea to play at least the slow movt as well. BTW, good luck with that Presto coda!

#554367 - 12/18/01 11:35 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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whew..a heated discussion..its about time, for a moment there i actually thought things were going to be boring without zeldah ( haha)...


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#554368 - 12/19/01 01:10 AM Re: Another Question ....  
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You know, it's interesting how everyone can talk about Zeldah so pejoratively now that she's gone (?) but no one would say those things when she was here.

Not that I'm sticking up for her or would ever have a desire to; just some food for thought.

#554369 - 12/19/01 09:34 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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You know, it's interesting how everyone can talk about Zeldah so pejoratively now that she's gone (?) but no one would say those things when she was here.

Not that I'm sticking up for her or would ever have a desire to; just some food for thought.


Interesting... Zeldah could be an annoyance but, she wasn't THAT bad. So what if an argument sprung up here or there. They were fun. I just don't want to be the one behind it, is all. I like to jump in if one flares up.


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#554370 - 12/19/01 09:57 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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The arguments were funny but I liked Zeldah


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#554371 - 12/20/01 01:25 AM Re: Another Question ....  
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Clarifications:

Number 1:

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I agree with Jgoo, they are called pieces, not songs.

I don't mean to be rude but I question your piano technical ability, if you can't even manage the simplest of terminology.


I wasn't talking to jgoo. If anything, I was agreeing with you. An apology for your earlier remarks would be appreciated.

and Number 2:

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Sounds rude to me. Geez - give the guy/girl a break! Or at least correct him/her NICELY.


I'm sorry but that's the nicest I could have done on a raining Wednesday morning.

[ December 20, 2001: Message edited by: trance ]


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#554372 - 12/20/01 11:26 PM Re: Another Question ....  
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From Trance:
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I wasn't talking to jgoo. If anything, I was agreeing with you. An apology for your earlier remarks would be appreciated.


An apology? I'm sorry for the miss-understanding, yes, but if you would just take a moment to hear my side of the argument:

Heres what I said:

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PIECE! Call it a piece if it has no words. Thsi comes from a disscussion that we had a long time ago. Play Liebstraum. I wish that I could play that piece. Its so beautifull.


Then, heres what you said, right afterward:

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I agree with Jgoo, they are called pieces, not songs.
I don't mean to be rude but I question your piano technical ability, if you can't even manage the simplest of terminology.


I'm sorry, but that does sound as though you are questioning MY technical ability, as to the fact that I said that I couldn't play Liebstraume. I mean, who eles could you have been critisizing? The only other remark before mine was:

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I have a recital coming up and I was wondering what songs I should play.
Right now I am picking between just playing the entire Beethoven piano sonata 23...

or Liebestraume by Liszt, and only the last movement from The Beethoven piano sonata 23.
( which I love)


So the two songs or the one....
What do you people think will sound better?


It sounded as though you were bashing me, questioning me about my piano technical ability, saying that I couldn't even manage the simpilest of termonolgy. The simpilest of termonology..., what the heck does that even mean?

Okay look, I apologize for the mix-up, but next time, I wish that you would clarify a bit better to whom you are speaking.

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#554373 - 12/21/01 12:38 AM Re: Another Question ....  
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jgoo, trance wasn't speaking to you about technical ability. it was an offhand comment to classical player, said because classical player's 'termInology' is all messed up - so it seems classical player's technical ability must be questionable too...get it? (sorry for the third person usage but it's hard to guess the gender on some of these names).


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jgoo, trance wasn't speaking to you about technical ability. it was an offhand comment to classical player, said because classical player's 'termInology' is all messed up - so it seems classical player's technical ability must be questionable too...get it? (sorry for the third person usage but it's hard to guess the gender on some of these names).


Ah ha! Gotcha'. Now it all makes sense to my. So, Trance, I guess that a full apology is in order... I'm sorry. frown


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Its so very easy to take things on this forum the wrong way, and you have to be careful as to think through and process what others are saying. I guess that I should have realized it earlier. Okay, now, feeling a bit stupid, I think that I'll take a short break and be back in a little while.


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Gah!

Couldn't you have waited ten more minutes to apologize? I worked so hard on it, too...

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Gah!

Couldn't you have waited ten more minutes to apologize? I worked so hard on it, too...

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But not until I have first replied to this. Now, I'm curious as to what has been so hardly worked on. Another graphic, I suppose...

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Even though I already deleted it, the idea and desire for future application lingers!

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#554379 - 12/21/01 07:36 AM Re: Another Question ....  
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I understood what Trance said and who it was intended for, but that doesn't make it a more friendly comment. I can't see what proper use of the language/terminology has to do with technical ability on the piano.

It seems to me that a person with good piano skills would never make a derogatory remark about another persons ability, or lack there of, especially based on the evidence. Anyone capable of playing this (any) Beethoven Sonata would never make this unfriendly remark. Of course if you put a disco beat behind it, I guess you could call it a song...

just my $.02

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What did I miss, Brendan - did you delete another pot/kettle winner? HOW are you guys posting pictures here? Are you linking to a photo that is already on the web somewhere? Oh, and Trance's raining Wednesday morning comment made me giggle on my stolen painting Thursday morning. Everyone deserves to be forgiven for occasionally saying something not so nice. smile Jodi

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No, I didn't post it. I just deleted it off of my hard drive. Sigh...it dwarfed both the "Fabulous" and "Pot & Kettle" pics put together. Anothr time, maybe.

You have to publish the file to the internet usually via your ISP or some sort of free hosting service, and then link to it like this:

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Or, you can click on the little link in the "post a reply" screen that says "What is UBB Code" to get a more detailed explanation.

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i feel stupid now lol confused


I guess that you and I are in the same boat then. But, I guess that theres no need to feel stupid, is there? I mean, really, it was all just a big ol' stupid misunderstanding, right? The people on this board are don't really hold a grudge, I've noticed, and I'm thankful for it. Otherwise, I most likely would have ended up leaveing without return a long time ago. They won't care that this misunderstanding has taken place. We all remember that one with Zeldah becuase it was a doozy. Over 100 posts on one thread alone! Whew! Thats when Zeldah left us. We've speculated, however, that she could still be lurking around somewhere on the board, prehapps biding her time before she makes a return, in either her old name or a new name all together.


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