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Trace your teaching lineage! #553923
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Recently, I found out that my teacher was a student of Fleisher and Hautzig, so I can trace my lineage all the way back to Beethoven! Knowing that this is true for me, this is probably true for many of you. So trace away!

My lineage:

Nitsch
Fleisher/Hautzig
Schnabel
Leschititsky (sp?)
Czerny
Beethoven

Nitsch
Hautzig
Mieczyslaw Munz
Jerzy Lalewicz
etc.
etc.
(don't know too much about this one)

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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553924
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Ludwig van Beethoven

Karl Czerny

Vasily Safonov

Josef Lhevinne

Rosina Lhevinne

Martin Canin

Arthur Greene

Dmitri Vorobiev

"PianoJerome"


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553925
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Me
Mother
G-Grandma
Milo Benedict (famous NewEngland pianist whose prodigy was g-g)
Liszt
Czerny
Beethoven


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553926
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mine goes to Abbey Simon (im only second generation)


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553927
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Mine goes back to me, sneaking over to the Sunday School rooms, while the church service was going on in the main sanctuary, and plinking around on those battered old uprights.

(Apparently, church people frown on hearing strains of "Great Balls Of Fire," while the preacher is delivering a wrathful sermon on heck and damnation.)

True story!

laugh smokin


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553928
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Bela Bartok
Istvan Thoman
Franz Liszt
Carl Czerny
Ludwig van Beethoven

Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553929
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Palindrome (1944-)
Frederic Rothchild (1914-2002) [88 years, a fateful number for a pianist]
Berthe Poncy Jacobson (?-?)
Bernhard Stavenhagen (1862-1914)
Ferencz Liszt (1811-1886)
Karl Czerny (1791-1857)
Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
Christian Gottlob Neefe (1748-1798)
Johann Adam Hiller (1728-1804)
Gottfried August Homilius (1714-1785)
Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750)


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553930
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Not sure about my current teacher. Past teacher, however:

Me
Annie Sherter
Vlado Perlemuter
Alfred Cortot
Maurice Ravel

Acutally, Perlemuter studied with Ravel as well.

Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553931
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Originally posted by Loki:
mine goes to Abbey Simon (im only second generation)
Google search tells me he trained at Curtis (although accepted by Hofmann, I don't think that makes him a Hofmann pupil), with Saperton and Harold Bauer.

So:

Abbey Simon (?1921-)
Harold Bauer (1873-1951)
Ignacy Jan Paderewski (1860-1941)
Theodor Leschetizky (1830-1915)
Karl Czerny (usw.)


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553932
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My current teacher's teacher used to be Garrick Ohlssohn but I don't know who Ohlssohn studied with.


"If music be the food of love, play on." -William Shakespeare
Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553933
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Originally posted by SPS:
Not sure about my current teacher. Past teacher, however:

Me
Annie Sherter
Vlado Perlemuter
Alfred Cortot
Maurice Ravel

Acutally, Perlemuter studied with Ravel as well.
I don't know to what extent Ravel (1875-1937) taught Cortot (1877-1962). Certainly, Cortot would have learned from Ravel about the composer's music, but as Cortot was only two years younger than Ravel, it's doubtful that Ravel was responsible for Cortot's actual piano instruction.

Ravel's main teacher was Gabriel Faure (1845-1924);
who studied under

(1)Louis Niedermeyer (-1861) &

(2)Camille Saint-Saens (1835-1921)
pupil of Camille Marie Stamaty (1811-1870)
" " Kalkbrenner (see below)


Cortot studied under:

Louis Diemer (1843-1919), who had two main teachers:

(1)Antoine Francois Marmontel (1816-1898)
pupil of Pierre Joseph Zimmerman (1785-1853)

and
(2) C. L. Ambroise Thomas (1811-1896)
pupil of Friedrich Wilhelm Kalkbrenner (1788-1849)
" " Muzio Clementi (1752-1832)

My source for all of this comes from Lillie Philipp's Piano Technique, published by Dover.


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553934
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Originally posted by virtuoso_735:
My current teacher's teacher used to be Garrick Ohlssohn but I don't know who Ohlssohn studied with.
From a Barnes and Noble website:

"He entered the preparatory course of the Juilliard School when he was thirteen, where he studied with Sascha Gorodnitzki; remaining at Juilliard for his Bachelor's of Music (earned in 1971), he studied with Rosina Lhévinne. Private studies with Olga Barabini, Irma Wolpe, and Claudio Arrau rounded out Ohlsson's education."

You can find these things yourself.

Arrau tracks to Liszt through Martin Krause.
Rosina Bessie Lhevinne tracks to Leschetizky through Safonoff.

It's late and I'm going to sleep. zzzzz....


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553935
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Myself
Veryl Zech
Robert Goldsand
Moriz Rosenthal
|
|-- Mikuli
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| Chopin
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-- Liszt

Chris

Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553936
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that's all very impressive, how did you trace those back?

i doubt i can trace back to Liszt or Bach


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553937
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Quote
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Originally posted by virtuoso_735:
[b] My current teacher's teacher used to be Garrick Ohlssohn but I don't know who Ohlssohn studied with.
From a Barnes and Noble website:

"He entered the preparatory course of the Juilliard School when he was thirteen, where he studied with Sascha Gorodnitzki; remaining at Juilliard for his Bachelor's of Music (earned in 1971), he studied with Rosina Lhévinne. Private studies with Olga Barabini, Irma Wolpe, and Claudio Arrau rounded out Ohlsson's education."

You can find these things yourself.

Arrau tracks to Liszt through Martin Krause.
Rosina Bessie Lhevinne tracks to Leschetizky through Safonoff.

It's late and I'm going to sleep. zzzzz.... [/b]
Cool...thanks for the info. I'm too lazy myself to look it up. I've only been with my teacher for a few months unfortunately.


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553938
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Wow, I am really impressed how far all of you can trace your teachers back!

I never gave it much thought all these years until the question came up elsewhere for me recently so I made a point to ask my most recent teacher who she studied from.

My current teacher studied from Elizabeth Stern. She is supposedly famous for cranking out competition winners. I can't find much info. on her. Anyone ever heard of her?

Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553939
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Virtually anyone who studies with a teacher that graduated from a conservatory will be able to trace their musical line back to a famous composer/pianist.

Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553940
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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553941
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In Your Closet
Me
Benjamin Whitten
Leon Fleisher
Artur Schnabel
Theodor Leschetizky
Karl Czerny
Ludwig van Beethoven
Christian Gottlob Neefe
Johann Adam Hiller
Gottfried August Homilius
Johann Sebastian Bach


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Re: Trace your teaching lineage! #553942
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There's a thread every couple of months about this. I've studied with about 6 different teachers in my lifetime, and they all go back to Beethoven.

Guess what? If you take piano lessons from me, you can trace all the way back to Beethoven too!

The above statement is meant to show how meaningful this piano teacher lineage business is. smile

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