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Is piano playing an art or a craft?
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And why?


If you don't talk to your children about equal temperment, who will?
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Its an addiction.
Can't get enough of it.

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Its an addiction.
Can't get enough of it.

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haha Great answer... too true. But, its an art.

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In the sense that much of piano playing is a developed skill, it could be considered a craft.

In the sense that much of it is that skill dedicated to the service of artistic interpretation, it is an art.

Is that a sufficiently on-the-fence reply?

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It was an art, but as soon as it became a professional endeavor, it became a craft.

Did I sufficiently get off of Bruce's fence? :p wink


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It's a science.

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Both. Forcing it into either camp does it a great disservice.


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Playing the piano is a skill, not an art. To play the piano well, you have to be able to produce whatever kinds of sounds you want/need to produce out of the piano, and that involves how well you can coordinate your muscles, how well you can use your fingers, etc.


MUSIC is an art. Interpretation is art. To understand music is an art.


When we play music on the piano, we have to do both - of course we have to actually play the instrument, but without the musical art we'll have nothing to play; so we have to engage in the art of music, but if we don't have pianistic skills, then we won't be able to express that artful music. So both are essential and inseperable.


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Music was mostly considered as a craft until Beethoven.


"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

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Music is art.

Playing music is craft.

Making music is both.


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Music is art.

Playing music is craft.

Making music is both.
Well said.


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It is capable of being mechanised. Hence it is a craft.

The composer is the artist.

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Playing piano is an art.

Building a piano is a craft.

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What is an art, and what is a craft?


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This is a fairly old and hackneyed debate that is mostly the result of people having slightly different conceptions of what the two words mean.

When people say "craft," they usually mean a skill that produces a useful product.

When people say "art," they usually mean a skill that produces a beautiful product.

The implication is that anyone can become a craftsman but it takes something special to become an artist. Anyone can learn to cook, but only those with particular interest can "prepare fine cuisine." Anyone can learn to paint a fairly realistic picture, but only those who are dedicated and have a good eye can learn to paint a real "work of art." Anyone can learn to compose a simple song, but only a select few can write something that touches people in a special way.

Anyway, the idea is that anyone can learn a craft but not everyone can become an artist. If music is a craft, then anyway can learn to do it. If it's an art, then only the talented few will become accomplished.

The whole debate seems kind of stupid to me, because music, like cabinetmaking, cooking, and painting, is both.

Anyone, given enough training and practice, can learn to bake a cake. Not everyone will become a pastry chef.

In the same way, anyone can learn the piano to a certain degree of proficiency. Not everyone will develop artistic interpretations on the level of Rubenstein or Richter.

Anyway, that's why I say it's both. But I do think the debate is kind of silly, since it's based almost entirely on linguistic semantics.


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But I do think the debate is kind of silly, since it's based almost entirely on linguistic semantics.
Not to mention taste and personal preference. wink


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First it is craft - which we all should pursue diligently. Having once mastered the craft, we may pursue art. Furthermore, once we become proficient as musicians, there will still be times when nothing more than craft is required. Thankfully, on others we are allowed to search for our artisic voices.

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arent you guys a little old for arts and crafts. BAM!

people like me shouldnt be allowed to post on this site.


im not really in a creative mood
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But I do think the debate is kind of silly, since it's based almost entirely on linguistic semantics.
Ludwig Wittgenstein would agree with you. But then his brother Paul thought piano playing an art. wink


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Is it an art, craft? I think it's both.

I recently read somewhere that piano playing is merely a feat of physical dexterity. I just had to laugh at that one. It does involve physical dexterity, but there is a heck of a lot more involved with it, don't you think???????

I am working on Chopin's Nocturne in E flat, and for a while there, I thought my brain was going to explode laugh with all of the incidentals, etc.

What I'm trying to say is, I think, physical dexterity is partly involved, but there's a lot more going on. A great deal of mental energy can be involved in playing piano...and that doesn't include emotional factors and everything else.

To be a great pianist requires a number of wide range of different abilities and talents...

I would say playing piano is MANY things...an art, a craft, and a physical, mental and emotional feat all rolled into one.

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