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The Competition #542864
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While reading the threads from the post: The Pianist, I was reminded of another great movie about pianists.

It was made decades ago and starred Richard Dryfuss. It was a love story, but it showed just what the entrants in this competition went through. The insecurities, pressure and stress involved in winning the "prize." Just choosing the best composition to play; that was an eye-opener. It does contain some great music although not nearly enough.

Neflix doesn't have it (but it has "Killer Tomatoes?). Once in a very great while, it is shown on TV. However, it might be out there somewhere. And to those of you who are training professionally , I highly recommend it. For the rest of us, it's great entertainment.


After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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I saw the movie when it came out, and I thought a lot of it was awfully unrealistic (surprise!). But some of it was on the mark.


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Good movie! It actually introduced me to a lot of rep I'd never heard before, most notably Prokofiev 3d. Haven't seen it in years, but I remember thinking that the piano-faking was pretty good. And I loved Lee Remick as the piano-teacher. Netflix doesn't have it?!? Philistines...


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i saw it on TV, and thought it's pretty good and i do think those actors can play piano pretty well even though the sound track was someone else's.

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I saw it when it first came out. I remember being highly annoyed whenever the Dreyfuss-Irving romance story line was happening.

GET BACK TO THE COMPETITION, IDIOTS!! laugh laugh

Maybe it's in part because I've never been a big fan of either actor.

I did like the "backstage" parts of the movie.

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Nina: That romance bothered me too. Lke you, I wanted to shout: "Get back to the real GOOD part of the movie---the music!"


After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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I got serious into playing piano from watching a piano movie. It was about 2 guys preparing for the Chopin piano competition. One guy had a girlfriend and the other one didn't. The one without the girl was a better pianist. But then the girl got sick, the boyfriend was too busy with the piano, he abandoned his girl. Anyway, he won the competition, the other guy lost the piano competition but won the girl. There was a lot of piano playing in the movie and it showed the hands with real playing. I watched that movie 4 times. laugh

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Great flick.

I liked the scene where all the pianists were in the same room "deciding" what concerts to play, and Dreyfuss' character trying to make sure he ended up with Beethoven.

The love story I could have done without. Why not just set the egos aside, fall in love, and back get to the playing!?

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I got serious into playing piano from watching a piano movie. It was about 2 guys preparing for the Chopin piano competition. One guy had a girlfriend and the other one didn't. The one without the girl was a better pianist. But then the girl got sick, the boyfriend was too busy with the piano, he abandoned his girl. Anyway, he won the competition, the other guy lost the piano competition but won the girl. There was a lot of piano playing in the movie and it showed the hands with real playing. I watched that movie 4 times. laugh
That sounds like an interesting film - do you know the title?

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Originally posted by LisztAddict:
I got serious into playing piano from watching a piano movie. It was about 2 guys preparing for the Chopin piano competition. One guy had a girlfriend and the other one didn't. The one without the girl was a better pianist. But then the girl got sick, the boyfriend was too busy with the piano, he abandoned his girl. Anyway, he won the competition, the other guy lost the piano competition but won the girl. There was a lot of piano playing in the movie and it showed the hands with real playing. I watched that movie 4 times. laugh
i remember seeing this movie long long time ago, which is a Polish film actually with translation when i saw it. there's a scence when the boy and the girl wandering in woods as slow movement of Chopin's 1st concerto was played, very romantic moment and i'd remember it whenever i heard that part of music again. could you tell us what name of this movie is?

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Yes, it is a Polish film. signa, where did you see this movie? I watched it in Viet Nam 26-27 years ago. The best I can translate the title to English is "with all the love/emotion/passion". But I don't know if the translation to the Vietnamese title was correct.

I was a little kid at that time, but I must say the music in this movie reall moved me. I still remember well the part when the student played the opening section of the Polonaise Fantasy in Ab major for the teacher, and the teacher told him to relax. And the Chopin Etude Op 25 No 5.

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I like any movie about pianists!


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I do too. And I think that when Hollywood (or whatever company - foreign, etc.) makes a film about music specifically the piano is to be commended. Obviously, most of these movies will not be of any interest to the general audience but only to those who are pianist or lovers of piano music. So, the movie company will probably not make a lot of money, if any, on the film.

There was another movie, actually a documentary, that I rented from Netflix, that covered the three days before a world-wide competition (can't remember which one). It concentrated on 6 or 7 of the contestants. Many were from other countries who traveled to the US and stayed at the homes of people who supported the competition. It showed the hardships many of them and their families had to to through, how they practiced, interviewed their teachers (who came with them), their dreams and goals, etc. and, of course, the pressure they sufferred as one of them was eliminated each day before the final day --- three of them playing on a concert stage before a packed audience.

I wish I could remember the film. Maybe those of you who are Netflix subscribers can do a little browsing and come up with the title.


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That's the DVD reporting on the 2001 Cliburn competition, the 11th. It contains two DVDs that can be purchased separately. One is double sided. Side one is the documentary you're talking about. It's a 90-minute doc called "Playing on Edge" that was nationally telecasted. Side two contains two complete concerto perforamances filmed live during the competition by two gold medalists. Iuodenitch played Tchaikovsky No.1. O Kern played Rach No.3.

A separate DVD features concerto movements played and rehearsed by 6 finalists under conductor James Conlon. It's titled "Concerto". Hope I remember correctly. You can double check the info from Van Cliburn competition site gift-shop.

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Thank you, Andrew. I do seem to recall that tall red-head near the end, shaking hands with some of the contestants.

When I get back to Netflix, I'm going to rent it again. Or perhaps find it on Amazon or ebay.


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Here is info regarding that Chopin competition movie that my Polish friend just digged out for me. Title: "Con Amore"

http://www.filmpolski.pl/fp/index.php/12302

http://www.filmpolski.pl/fp/index.php/15302

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Wish my uncle were still alive so he could translate for me Well, I wish he were alive just so he were alive. I miss him.

Anyhow, is this film available anywhere?


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Originally posted by LisztAddict:
Here is info regarding that Chopin competition movie that my Polish friend just digged out for me. Title: "Con Amore"

http://www.filmpolski.pl/fp/index.php/12302

http://www.filmpolski.pl/fp/index.php/15302
thanks, LisztAddict, for posting the film photos! i couldn't believe how little i remember this film now, except the girl with her hair-do!

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This film is available here (in Sarasota, Florida)
http://www.polandbymail.com/get_item_v627_con-amore-pl.htm

But too bad it's only in Polish. No English subtitle either. frown

Anyway, Con Amore means with love, in Italian. Funny that it's a Polish movie with Italian title.

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Probably because Con Amore sounds much more lyrical and romantic than what the Polish language equivalent would be. I don't know Polish, but as Liszt once said (and I'm paraphrasing)..."the Polish language with all those consonants, once after the other, and no vowel in sight." (Anyhow, something like that.)

My mom was Polish, but the only phrases I remember from childhood are swear words, I think. At least, she used to shout them at one of us (three kids) when we were driving her up the wall, which we did quite often.


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In the competition, what was the Mozart Piano Concerto that Amy Irving started to play when she found the piano out of tune.

Am not familiar with it and would love to hear it in its entirety.


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Was it #24? That kind of sticks in my mind. By the way, I love this film. Sadly, it is still not on DVD. The music composer, Lalo Schifrin wrote the background score and tutored the actors on the piano. A number of pianists actually played the classical excerpts (Chet Swiakowski did the Beethoven, Daniel Pollack played the Prokofieff).

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Eureka! smile

I went down the basement where many of my older tapes are stored, and I found a copy of The Competition. I forgot that I had recorded it the last time it was on TV.


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I'll watch it again today. But I don't have any way of recording that piece to which you are referring. (I'm not that familiar with most of Mozart's works). The only thing I can do is watch the credits afterwards and see if they mention that particular Mozart composition.

I should download that Audacity program the people at ABF use to record their recitals, but it sounds so complicated. :rolleyes:

Anyhow, I give it my best shot, but maybe in the meantime, someone else will have the answer.


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Bill Finn,

Speaking of Lalo Schifrin, he recorded the first Bossa Nova album I ever heard. That was back in the 50's. I loved the beat and been a Bossa Nova fan ever since.

Two years ago he appeared at the Blue Note in NY and my family took me there for my Birthday. We got there when the doors opened and I got a seat right next to the piano.

With the album sitting next to me on the floor I enjoyed a great evening of jazz. At the end I handed the album to him and he autographed it for me. It was one of the best Birthday's I have had.


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In the competition, what was the Mozart Piano Concerto that Amy Irving started to play when she found the piano out of tune.

Am not familiar with it and would love to hear it in its entirety.
It is the "other" D major, # 16. I forget the K #. ("Other" meaning not no. 26, the "Coronation" concerto)


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I enjoyed it, but it's not my favorite piano movie.


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I recall reading somewhere that both Dreyfuss and Irving "practiced" the pieces they "key-sync'd" to so that the fingers/hands were in the correct place. Nothing annoys me more (and you typically find it in old movies from the 30s and 40s) where the actor is "playing" a piece but his hands are either totally in the wrong place or they are playing solid chords when the music is doing arpeggios!

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Teachum - what is your favorite piano movie? I've read a lot of 'reviews' today but saw only two titles. Was everyone talking just about these two?

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Has anyone ever seen Madame Souzazka? Now THAT'S a good piano movie. Shirley McClain plays a hardcore piano teacher who grows fond of her young student. It's an awesome movie with some great music. I've never though much of Schumann's music until I saw this movie. There's also a great interpretation of Scriabin's d#m etude. The move came out probably in mid-70s and Shirely McClain does an excellent job playing a strict "drill instructor" piano teacher.


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