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#539706 09/14/07 04:46 AM
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Hi PianoWorld!

I'm new to the forum. I'm very excited to be a part of these forums. Now, I'm a 15 year old Chinese-Canadian-American that really enjoys classical music. I've been playing piano since I was 7. I'm 2 years away from highschool graduation and a year and a half away from college applications. I want to major in music and I'm going to be working hard towards it in the future.

My current repertoire that I am beginning includes

Bach P&F WTC1 in B-flat major No. 21
Beethoven Sonata in C major Op. 2 No.3
Chopin Etudes from Op. 10 - No. 4 & No. 5
Chopin Etudes from Op. 25 - No. 6
Chopin Ballade in g minor
Rachmaninov Prelude No. 5 in g minor Op. 23
Copland Passacaglia


One of the problems that I've encountered and hope to get advice from fellow musicians is a fingering problem in in Etude No. 6 Op. 25.

I use a "sliding index finger" technique for those nasty chromatic thirds. This allows me to avoid using consecutive thumbs. The part that I am having fingering problems are in the passages on measure 11 it isn't chromatic - It's a descending thirds. Does anyone know of a technique at this particular place that allows you to avoid consecutive thumbs?

Thanks for the help

Please feel free to comment on my repertoire as well.

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Welcome.

I work on Rach's g-minor too! It's a great piece, isn't it?

Can't help you with the etude, haven't played that one.

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'Sliding index finger' doesn't sounds like Chopin's pianism, just like a thumb on a black key in Mozart. But well, the only thing that counts is the resulting sound.

I played Chopin's 24th prelude where a stronger sound in it's chromatic run is necessary than what is possible with sliding. The sound you may want in the etude could possibly do with sliding touch.

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.. it seems to me that the inherent nature [of the piano tone] becomes really expressive only by means of the present tendency to use the piano as a percussion instrument - Béla Bartók, early 1927.
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'Sliding index finger' doesn't sounds like Chopin's pianism'

I believe it was his pianism and used such a technique quite often.


Patience's the best teacher, and time the best critic. - F.F.Chopin
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I can't remember it - having tried it but returned to the orthodox fingering which is harder but which I wanted to be able to do - but there is an alternative fingering for this at the back of the Pischna book of exercises.


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Welcome to the Piano World!

Try this fingering:
RH measure 11:
5-2,3-1,4-2,3-1,4-2,3-1,5-3,4-2,3-1,4-2,3-1,4-2,3-1,5-3,4-2,3-1 works all the time. If you go to YouTube, my performance is easily heard (but not seen) if you type my last name in and search. Good luck!!

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Classicalist: welcome to this forum and good luck with your repetoire.

JBiegel's advice (above) is excellent. Listen to him.

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#539713 09/18/07 04:50 AM
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Thanks so much for all the wonderful advice.

ecm: That prelude is absolutely gorgeous. No wonder why it and Op.3 No. 2 are played so much.

JBiegel: Thanks for the advice. It worked like a charm. And wow you play so well I was really blown away by your playing!

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Glad it was helpful. I was just teaching this etude to a pupil at Brooklyn College yesterday who is preparing all Opus 25 Etudes toward a Masters recital. I wrote in all the fingerings--fun! (??)

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Also if you get the Alfred Cortot edition of the Chopin Etudes, he suggest a lot of different fingerings that you can try. Actually there were several fingering in there that I never thought possible.

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Fuzzy8balls--I visited your YouTube entry and commented on it--you are quite a talent.

Classicalist--can you sometime record the 'Double Thirds' and post it?

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I'll try to post a few videos on youtube or something soon!


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