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Speed on Moonlight Sonata 3rd Movement #539120
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I just played the third movement of the moonlight sonata for my teacher in my lesson, and, as I have not perfected it yet, much of it was not what I would have considered up to tempo. But the parts that I have good, I probably played around 160 BPM. She told me that she wanted it a little over half that speed, final product. When she said this, I was amazed, and, being the opinionated student that I am, did just a little 'discussing', but she would not be persuaded. I am very surprised, as I have only heard it played around 160 or so on recordings. Any thoughts?


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Re: Speed on Moonlight Sonata 3rd Movement #539121
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So wait, she wanted you to play it a little bit more 80BPM? That's insane... The marking is Presto Agitato, not Adagio Agitato. I certainly don't have the education or experience to speak ill of a teacher, but I do think she is way off on this. Presto... Very fast. 80BPM is not very fast.

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I've always heard it played fast, definitly faster than 80BPM.

Is it possible she actually meant 1 and 1/2 times as fast. 220BPM? But thats seems it would be too fast.


well I'm 20 years old, and I'm teaching myself piano.
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Colin,

I timed several recordings of "Moonlight," and they all bring in the first paragraph (I don't have my music in front of me, but till that unison forte on low G, you know what I mean) at 18 seconds. So that is what I am aiming for.

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Re: Speed on Moonlight Sonata 3rd Movement #539124
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I think you misunderstood your teacher. She probably told you to PRACTICE it slowly for now. I would check with her again to see what she meant in terms of the final product.

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No, I made sure to understand her. Now it is possible she told me to do this because she didn't think I would be able to get it up to speed with the kind of precision she wants, but usually she isn't willing for me to play a piece unless I am going to play it correctly. Of course I practice it slow, and she never stops telling me to do that wink but I believe she was talking about final product. Now remember, she said a little faster than half of 160, so maybe not 80 or 90, maybe 100 or 110, but still....

Anyway, next lesson I will again try to convince her differently. And, for the record, she is a VERY good teacher, and I respect her views greatly. I just don't get this one yet.


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I played this at quite a fast tempo, so I'll have to say that 80, even 100 seems rather slow.

On another note, almost every recording of the 1st mvt. that I've heard seems to be at half tempo, but that's a completely different issue.


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Colin, why not ask your teacher to demonstrate? I think your original tempo (around 160) sounds about right for the finished product. However, you do need to practise much slower than this to achieve the control and accuracy.


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The low unison G sharp is on beaat 2 of bar 14. To get there is 18 seconds, I make that a metronome setting of 176.

I wouldn't have thought it needs to be that fast though.

I agree about the value of practising it half speed. It seems to me that the getting the broken chords really quiet and even is much more important in giving the ear the impression of speed than pushing up the actual metronome setting.


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