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Most difficult/most beautiful Liszt transcription
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Here ae my choices:

Hardest(Since I don't play any of these I am speculating.Please indicate in your answer if you actually play any of your choices):

Don Juan Fantasy. Beethoven Symphonies, Tanhauser

Most beautiful(I guess this depends a lot on how beautiful the original is):

Schubert-Litaney(one of the simplest ones which I do play and it's amazing), Schubert-Auf dem Wasser zu Singen (I don't even know what this song is about but I love it), Schubert- The Miller and the Brook, Schumann- Fruhlingsnacht

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If we're going to use the term "transcription" literally:
Beethoven 9 (just nigh of unsurmountable)
Symphonie Fantastique
Tannhauser overture

Operatic Paraphrases:
Don Juan
Norma
Robert la Diable

Song Transcriptions:
Erlking
Ave Maria (don't be fooled)

I haven't played any of these, but my personal favorite by miles is Norma. Maybe I'll play it next year.

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How about the "Tarentelle di bravura" from Auber's "La Muette de Portici". I got the music out of the library once and it looked brutally difficult. I've only heard two recordings of it, Howard (struggles badly) and Cziffra (the less said about that the better). It's a cracking piece though. I guess we'll have to wait for Hamelin to do it justice.

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most beautiful:

Schubert: Standchen, Auf dem wasser zu singen, In der ferne

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Just curious. Heard a friend of mine play an organ piece of Liszt's ... something on a theme of B.A.C.H. It's one of the pieces he has to play for his FAGO exams in July. I was wondering if there exists a piano transcription for this piece (or is it even possible for this one to be transcribed for the piano ...)

I told him that I hope he'll be testing on an organ on which he could set his stops on pistons, otherwise he'd go mad trying to change his registrations midway through that piece ...

Lyn F.


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#538204 04/07/03 11:39 PM
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Lyn, I am working on Bach' Prelude and Fugue in A minor for Organ, transcribed by Lizst for piano. It's about 14 pages long and SEEMS easy to learn because it's pretty much all onthe white keys. It is both beautiful and pretty difficult.


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Lyn, I am working on Bach' Prelude and Fugue in A minor for Organ, transcribed by Lizst for piano. It's about 14 pages long and SEEMS easy to learn because it's pretty much all onthe white keys. It is both beautiful and pretty difficult.
If your advanced enough to learn this piece, I can't understand how you would possibly think that the key signature could be a determining factor in its difficulty!

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#538206 04/08/03 08:26 AM
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I'm sorry - I am a total piano protocol idiot. I guess the piece for me is easy to sight read but hard to learn. I don't know, it seems like it should be easy but I've been working on it for months now. It just won't get into my head.


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#538207 04/08/03 05:05 PM
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[b]Lyn, I am working on Bach' Prelude and Fugue in A minor for Organ, transcribed by Lizst for piano. It's about 14 pages long and SEEMS easy to learn because it's pretty much all onthe white keys. It is both beautiful and pretty difficult.
If your advanced enough to learn this piece, I can't understand how you would possibly think that the key signature could be a determining factor in its difficulty![/b]
Yes, it IS a determining factor.

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[b]Lyn, I am working on Bach' Prelude and Fugue in A minor for Organ, transcribed by Lizst for piano. It's about 14 pages long and SEEMS easy to learn because it's pretty much all onthe white keys. It is both beautiful and pretty difficult.
If your advanced enough to learn this piece, I can't understand how you would possibly think that the key signature could be a determining factor in its difficulty![/b]
Yes, it IS a determining factor.[/b]
I don't think so. Neither sight-reading nor learning that piece would be more difficult if it were in E-sharp major.


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5 and 6 flats or sharps are always more difficult for me to learn. I've got the normal keys down pat.


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5 and 6 flats or sharps are always more difficult for me to learn. I've got the normal keys down pat.
If this is the case for you, then I would say that the Bach Liszt Prelude and Fugue you mentioned is way too difficult for you(and hence the trouble you are having with it). Far less than 1% of people who play the piano are capable in my opinion of playing this piece well.

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Oh, it's not too hard. I love it. I hardly ever get to really practice and I just get frustrated because it won't just flow into my brain already memorized. Rach's Cminor prelude, now is too hard at least the last 2 pages, but I still practice it because I just love those chosen chords.

I know I've said what apparently you think are unusual things about pieces and playing, but I am almost 50, and some years I played 50 hrs. a week. I have played alot of music. My classical repertoire is pretty much limited to Bach and Chopin, and my musical experience is limited, but I take playing very seriously. I know won't learn much from me, but I'd appreciate it if you would disagree with me non-disdainfully and not make assumptions about what I can and cannot play from your personal experience. The world is broad.


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[b]5 and 6 flats or sharps are always more difficult for me to learn. I've got the normal keys down pat.
If this is the case for you, then I would say that the Bach Liszt Prelude and Fugue you mentioned is way too difficult for you(and hence the trouble you are having with it). Far less than 1% of people who play the piano are capable in my opinion of playing this piece well.[/b]
Let me guess, and YOU are one of those people? :rolleyes:

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#538213 04/09/03 02:24 AM
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[b] </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by apple:
<strong>Lyn, I am working on Bach' Prelude and Fugue in A minor for Organ, transcribed by Lizst for piano. It's about 14 pages long and SEEMS easy to learn because it's pretty much all onthe white keys. It is both beautiful and pretty difficult.
If your advanced enough to learn this piece, I can't understand how you would possibly think that the key signature could be a determining factor in its difficulty![/b]
Yes, it IS a determining factor.[/b]
I don't think so. Neither sight-reading nor learning that piece would be more difficult if it were in E-sharp major.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do you know a lot of pieces that were written in this key? :rolleyes: Do you see the connection?


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I personally love Lizst's transcription of Beethoven's Eroica Funeral March...others have commented that it is tougher to play than it sounds.


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[b]5 and 6 flats or sharps are always more difficult for me to learn. I've got the normal keys down pat.
If this is the case for you, then I would say that the Bach Liszt Prelude and Fugue you mentioned is way too difficult for you(and hence the trouble you are having with it). Far less than 1% of people who play the piano are capable in my opinion of playing this piece well.[/b]
Let me guess, and YOU are one of those people? [/b]
I am not in the "far less than 1%" category. I am in the top 2% or better and I fully understand how much difference there is between the bottom of the top 2% and professional level pianists who I would rate in the top .1% . It's the same way in chess, Although I am in the top 5% of rated players, I would lose 1000 out of a 1000 games to a grandmaster.

But although there can always be exceptions, it seems totally incongruous to me that someone who has difficulty with 5 or 6 flats would be playing a difficult Liszt transciption.

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Oh, it's not too hard. I love it. I hardly ever get to really practice and I just get frustrated because it won't just flow into my brain already memorized. Rach's Cminor prelude, now is too hard at least the last 2 pages, but I still practice it because I just love those chosen chords.

I know I've said what apparently you think are unusual things about pieces and playing, but I am almost 50, and some years I played 50 hrs. a week. I have played alot of music. My classical repertoire is pretty much limited to Bach and Chopin, and my musical experience is limited, but I take playing very seriously. I know won't learn much from me, but I'd appreciate it if you would disagree with me non-disdainfully and not make assumptions about what I can and cannot play from your personal experience. The world is broad.
I am sorry for any comments that were inappropriate or out of place.

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Oh, it's not too hard. I love it. I hardly ever get to really practice and I just get frustrated because it won't just flow into my brain already memorized. Rach's Cminor prelude, now is too hard at least the last 2 pages, but I still practice it because I just love those chosen chords.

I know I've said what apparently you think are unusual things about pieces and playing, but I am almost 50, and some years I played 50 hrs. a week. I have played alot of music. My classical repertoire is pretty much limited to Bach and Chopin, and my musical experience is limited, but I take playing very seriously. I know won't learn much from me, but I'd appreciate it if you would disagree with me non-disdainfully and not make assumptions about what I can and cannot play from your personal experience. The world is broad.
I am sorry for any comments that were inappropriate or out of place.

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Erlking must be pretty difficult, because it's hard enough when you don't have to play the melody as well. I seem to recall Leslie Howard saying that the Symphonie Fantastique transcription was one of the hardest of any works by Liszt.

There are very few Schubert lieder which I don't find more beautiful in the original (provided the singer is good). I admire Liszt's determination to make such great music better known, but he would be probably be frustrated to find how often those pieces are now played at the expense of many of his original compositions.

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