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Re: Your Favorite Chopin Nocturne? #536577
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...and plan on living to 100 because that's how long it's going to take me to finish learning and (perfecting?) this wonderous piece.
Same here! help smile

For me, it's also the 48.1 with the 27.2 a very close second. And then there's the 9.1..

Tough choice.

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This was from the "Nocturnes not by Chopin thread," but it seemed most apropos to quote and comment on it here:
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Originally posted by -Frycek:
BTW someone I read recently referred to the larghetto of Chopin's Opus 11 concerto as a "nocturne." I'd say that was a pretty good description.
Dang, I'm so used to seeing the slow movement of Op. 11 called "Romanze" that I'd forgotten that the tempo is larghetto!

I think the lush larghettos of both the Concerto Op. 21 and the Sonata Op. 4 are good candidates for Nocturne status, too.

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Originally posted by BruceD:
The G major, Op 37, No 2 is a phenomenal work.

It's my favourite when I'm playing it, but I will say that about each and every other one I play. How can one choose?
When I saw the topic of the thread I thought "no one will mention nr 12, Op 37 no. 2, so I'll make a case for it".

So you can guess how happy I was to see Bruce's and "hopinmad"'s enthousiasm for it. I plan to start studying it (next to the last movement of the Kreisleriana) after my recital on June 28.

One book on Chopin suggested the B-section is a boat man's song from the boat to or from Mallorca. But that may be "sentimentally informed" speculation.


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Re: Your Favorite Chopin Nocturne? #536580
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I do love 48/1 as well...but I'm working on 55/1 and just love the way this one runs through the last page and a half- so beautiful!

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Another vote for Op. 15 #2

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Definitely 48 #1 for me. However, lately 72 #1 also gets played a lot (on my stereo unfortunately, hopefully soon on my piano smile ).
48 #2 is also very underrated in my opinion.

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I had a feeling that 9/3 in B major wouldn't be mentioned by anybody else (yet, anyway). If anyone is unfamiliar with it, I recommend checking it out. It's unusual in a number of respects:
  • It's the only Nocturne with the tempo Allegretto;
  • The gentle, genial, wistful main theme is also marked scherzando, the only occurrence (to my knowledge) of that indication in all the Nocturnes;
  • The Agitato "B" section does not "lie well under the hands" at all (well, the left hand, anyway)—something that's pretty darn unusual for Chopin! (I no longer use the term pianistic to describe that quality :p );
  • The coda and closing measures are exquisitely elegant, as is the transition from the Agitato back to the return of the main theme; and
  • It's long!

Steven

Re: Your Favorite Chopin Nocturne? #536584
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So far the approximate [1] tally on the prefered Nocturnes measured in this thread is as follows :

1: Op 9, No 1 : 2 votes
2: Op 9, No 2 : 1 vote
3: Op 9, No 3 : 1 vote
5: Op 15, No 2 : 2 vote2
7: Op 27, No 1 : 2 votes
8: Op 27, No 2 : 6 votes
11: Op 37, No 1 : 1 vote
12: Op 37, No 2 : 1 vote
13 : Op 48, No 1 : 12 votes
16: Op 55, No 2 : 4 votes
18: Op 62, No 2 : 1 vote
19: Op 72, No 1 : 1 vote
20: Op. Posth C-sharp minor : 1 vote

[1] Those Nocturnes which didn't get a definite vote (Yes, this one, well maybe not, maybe this one, but ... etc.,) were not counted in the tally.

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my vote is for 12, Op 37, No 2.

2 votes by now; a tie for fourth (to 8th) place!


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No one else has voted the beautiful E major nocturne? eek

Strange this one, doesn't seem as popular . . .I cannot see why!


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Originally posted by hopinmad:
No one else has voted the beautiful E major nocturne? eek

Strange this one, doesn't seem as popular . . .I cannot see why!
I'm very fond of that one, hopinmad, but we were asked to choose one, so just because no-one put this as #1 doesn't mean it isn't popular. I'm sure many of us love them all.


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Originally posted by hopinmad:
No one else has voted the beautiful E major nocturne? eek

Strange this one, doesn't seem as popular . . .I cannot see why!
I did, but mentioned it second after 55/2. This is my take on why it isn't more popular:

It's typical late Chopin, and perhaps its appeal is therefore less straightforward and somewhat elusive compared to earlier pieces whose charms are transparent and immediately accessible. I think that the Nocturne 55/2 (even though it did get some votes here!), the Prelude Op. 45 and the Impromptu Op. 51 are in this same category.

Also, the main theme of 62/2, while nice enough and a beautiful example of Chopin's bel canto writing, is probably not found to be one of his most beautiful and inspired melodies.

The most compelling features of 62/2 for me are the marvelous, churning, multi-layered agitato section, and the tranquility of the transitional passage that leads to the agitato and finally returns to close the piece.

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Originally posted by hopinmad:
No one else has voted the beautiful E major nocturne? eek

Strange this one, doesn't seem as popular . . .I cannot see why!
If I had voted, I think my choice would have been either that one or the other in op. 62. But choosing was too hard, so I didn't vote.

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Is voting over? I vote for E major!

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my current fav is op55/1 which I am very excited to be working on now. I dont think I've heard a more sorrowful melody then the one that starts this piece. That semitone clash as the melody goes into the major in the first section, then the triplets when the opening melody is played again...how can it be so beautiful and so sad at the same time?


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Originally posted by pianarchist:
[...]how can it be so beautiful and so sad at the same time?
(Percy Bysshe) Shelley (1792-1822), the English Romantic poet, realized it could be so:

"Our sincerest laughter
With some pain is fraught;
Our sweetest songs are those that tell of saddest thought."

from "To a Skylark"

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"Our sincerest laughter
With some pain is fraught;
Our sweetest songs are those that tell of saddest thought."

from "To a Skylark"

It is true


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Originally posted by sotto voce:
I had a feeling that 9/3 in B major wouldn't be mentioned by anybody else (yet, anyway). If anyone is unfamiliar with it, I recommend checking it out. It's unusual in a number of respects:
  • It's the only Nocturne with the tempo Allegretto;
  • The gentle, genial, wistful main theme is also marked scherzando, the only occurrence (to my knowledge) of that indication in all the Nocturnes;
  • The Agitato "B" section does not "lie well under the hands" at all (well, the left hand, anyway)—something that's pretty darn unusual for Chopin! (I no longer use the term pianistic to describe that quality :p );
  • The coda and closing measures are exquisitely elegant, as is the transition from the Agitato back to the return of the main theme; and
  • It's long!


Steven
9/3 is my favorite too heart

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Re: Your Favorite Chopin Nocturne? #536595
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I looked at the tally that Bruce so graciously posted.

And I wonder why the 48.1 seems to be the most popular. What is it about that piece of music that makes it so dear to so many?

Any ideas?

Kathleen


After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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Absolutely Op. 27 No. 1, and quite possibly because of the E-sharp. I get goosebumps listening to this piece.

I also like Op. 72 No. 1 very much, as well as Op. 37 No. 1 (which I also love to teach).


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And I wonder why the 48.1 seems to be the most popular. What is it about that piece of music that makes it so dear to so many?
-a beautiful melody, in a beautiful key (I love C min and C# min);
-varying moods (at least this is how I see them): mournful and melancholy/ peaceful, calm, happy/agitated and fiery/sense of urgency, tragic

The end effect is that it wrings you out like a washcloth! But you enjoy the experience.

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My absolute favorite nocturne is the C minor Nocturne, Op. 48, No. 1. 3hearts

Check out this rendition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MzrAGZHDvo

The first time I heard this piece was at my Chemistry professor's summer party, and one of his former students played it magnificently. Been etched in my memory ever since. It's one of the few Chopin pieces I played in college.

I also like the C-sharp minor Nocturne, Op. Posthumous. But it's not in the same league as Op. 48, No. 1.


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When it comes to the Chopin Nocturnes, I seem to change my mind as time goes by...

Now, I have a hard time choosing beetween op 27 no 1 (C# minor) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAcAWWU_0mE
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and the E major 62 no 2 that develops so masterly.

I'm afraid I'm not able to choose wink

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Originally posted by loveschopintoomuch:
I looked at the tally that Bruce so graciously posted.

And I wonder why the 48.1 seems to be the most popular. What is it about that piece of music that makes it so dear to so many?

Any ideas?

Kathleen
I can't say exactly why, but the opening page of the Chopin reminds me of the opening the Schubert f minor Fantasy in the sense that if it didn't have the haunting melody at the opening it might not be quite as popular as it is.

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27.2 and 37.2

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FWIW and not quite on topic, but :

I played four of my favourites in recital, yesterday :

Op. posth. C-sharp minor
Op. 15, No 2 in F-sharp major
Op. 37, No 1 in G minor
Op. 37, No 2 in G major

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I played four of my favourites in recital, yesterday :

Op. posth. C-sharp minor
Op. 15, No 2 in F-sharp major
Op. 37, No 1 in G minor
Op. 37, No 2 in G major
Nice selection, Bruce - hope it went well!


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op.27 no.2 ofc

I think that this nocturne really captures the true nature of nocturnes. Even left alone hand is incredibly beautiful and it is similar through whole piece. It is "fluid" and tranquil and there are not strong (and chordal) passages like in op.48/1. In my opinion those forte-passages belongs to something else than nocturnes. I usually listen to is once or twice before falling asleep :]

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