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#520574 - 10/11/02 05:13 PM Scarlatti sonatas- which edition?
CrashTest Offline
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Which edition of the Scarlatti sonatas is "definitive"? Henle only publishes 3 volumes, and the only other urtext I know of is Ricordi. (Do they publish his complete sonatas?) Then there is the Longo and Kirkpatrick editions, how accurate and urtext are these particular editions?

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#520575 - 10/11/02 05:43 PM Re: Scarlatti sonatas- which edition?
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Gyorgy Balla/Editio Musica Budapest: 200 Sonatas in 4 volumes

Emilia Fadini/New Ricordi: 333 Sonatas in 6 volumes (in process)

Kenneth Gilbert/Heugel: complete urtext

Ralph Kirkpatrick/Princeton: complete autograph reproduction

Alcssandro Longo/Old Ricordi: first complete edition

I have the Balla, Longo/Old Ricordi and Gilbert/Heugel. Probably because my teacher liked the Longo, I've used that the most. I usually find myself comparing editions -- and sometimes recordings to figure out what I'm supposed to do. One will never be completely sure...


#520576 - 10/12/02 05:57 AM Re: Scarlatti sonatas- which edition?
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<< . . . how accurate and urtext . . . >>

Hasn't the term urtext[/b] become totally and utterly meaningless? Look at any frontispage of any piano score and you see the name of an editor or the person who provided the fingering. That said Henle is still an excellent publisher - but their "urtext" on every front cover is more like a Trade Mark - to be ignored ;\) .

Perhaps norbert[/b] will be able to enlighten us whether the meaning (ur meaning) of the word has undergone a transformation. Mehr Licht, bitte!

#520577 - 10/12/02 09:14 AM Re: Scarlatti sonatas- which edition?
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The Longo edition is annoyingly edited. Fadini, in progress, consists of 8 volumes out of a projected 10, with 457 sonatas in those first 8 volumes. Since the project has been in progress for 24 years, and since the volumes have been issued at wider and wider intervals, I have some concern that this might never be finished. E-mail to Ricordi asking about completion plans has not produced any reply. The text is quite legible and prepared with obvious care, however.

The Kirkpatrick/Princeton is not an autograph, but rather a copyist's fair copy, bound, possibly prepared for the use of Maria Barbara (Scarlatti's patroness). It's a bit more complete than the currently available set from Ricordi. It's quite legible, but not quite at the level I feel comfortable reading from at sight.

I haven't seen the Gilbert; perhaps Kluurs can comment on its quality.
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#520578 - 10/12/02 01:06 PM Re: Scarlatti sonatas- which edition?
JS Offline
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Longo is bad. He "corrected" certain wrong notes which we now know to be a part of Scarlatti's often dissonant style of ornamentation.

As has been mentioned, the Kirkpatrick is far superior, but hard to read (in that manuscript facsimile edition.)

I tend to buy which ever edition looks the nicest and go compare it with the Kirkpatrick facsimile in the library. \:\)


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