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#519994 - 02/21/08 06:19 PM Most Diffitult Bach Prelude & Fugue from the WTC  
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So after looking around for grad schools, alot of them require a Bach Prelude and Fugue for the audition. But which ones are they really hoping to hear? Certainly not the first one from Book I smile So which do you think are the most difficult to play, or most impressive to hear played well?

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#519995 - 02/21/08 06:48 PM Re: Most Diffitult Bach Prelude & Fugue from the WTC  
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I don't know if the C major from book one is all that bad of a choice - the prelude is pretty simple, but the fugue's loaded with lots of stretto that can test your voicing abilities. Remember, at an audition it's not always about finding the most difficult repertoire, but demonstrating your abilities. If a slightly less demanding piece makes an effective display of your ability, go for it.

That said, some good ones from book 1 might be the c# minor, Eb major, a minor, bb minor, and b minor.


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How about a slow one, E-flat Minor (and/or D-sharp minor, depending on your edition) from book 1? I played that for an undergrad audition, and afterwards one of the professors said to me: "Why did you pick one of the hardest preludes and fugues for your audition?" It can be hard, at a slow tempo, to keep all the lines moving. It's a trade off, I think -- easier to get all the notes but harder to keep them moving when it's slow; harder to get all the notes but easier to keep them moving when it's fast. My hunch is that by grad school, they're more interested in keeping the lines moving. assuming that by that time you can already handle the right notes.


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Funny - I was thinking of recommending that one too Sam, however I personally find that to be one of the easier ones. I guess what one may find difficult may not be difficult to others. Difficulty aside, though, it is one of my favorite preludes and fugues and would be fine for an audition.


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#519998 - 02/21/08 08:28 PM Re: Most Diffitult Bach Prelude & Fugue from the WTC  
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I always thought the D Major prelude from book 1 was horribly awkward. That is, if you want it to be light, fast, and clean.

Handling phrasing and tempo in D Major book 2 is also quite a challenge. The fugue is worth it, though.


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#519999 - 02/21/08 08:35 PM Re: Most Diffitult Bach Prelude & Fugue from the WTC  
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I can't even begin to answer the question, as I am a relative beginner (although obsessed with Bach). But I'm curious -- do the schools insist on something from the WTC? Or could one play a prelude and fugue combination that was not in the WTC set?

Or does it go without saying that the WTC material is the hardest?

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I always thought the D Major prelude from book 1 was horribly awkward. That is, if you want it to be light, fast, and clean.

Handling phrasing and tempo in D Major book 2 is also quite a challenge. The fugue is worth it, though.
Agreed on both - that prelude from book 1 even got a special study from Busoni, didn't it? For me the G major pair from book 1 also is both difficult and impressive - I think Landowska once said she thought it was the toughest out of the whole WTC. The a minor from book 2 might be another good choice, especially if you have the kind of personality that can bring out the playful aspects. The c # minor from book 1 seems popular at competitions, probably because the fugue has so many voices, but unless you are totally into contrapuntal playing, I'd avoid anything that dense.

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While not terribly difficult I am in love with C minor from the second book. The fugue is a test of your voicing abilities, especially on the second page. It is one of the most beautiful in my opinion, and the prelude is a fair challenge to play properly at a good clip.

It's all about musicality anyway, so make sure to choose one you actually like!

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Originally posted by J. Mark:
I can't even begin to answer the question, as I am a relative beginner (although obsessed with Bach). But I'm curious -- do the schools insist on something from the WTC? Or could one play a prelude and fugue combination that was not in the WTC set?

Or does it go without saying that the WTC material is the hardest?
No, you should play a Prelude and Fugue set from the WTC. The meaning of "a Prelude and Fugue" is a prelude and a fugue in the same key and the same Volume of WTC.

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the 'a prelude and a fugue' requirement usually implies a prelude and fugue pair (in the same key and the same order) from WTC.

#520004 - 02/24/08 01:32 AM Re: Most Diffitult Bach Prelude & Fugue from the WTC  
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Yes, each Prelude and Fugue is one complete piece. To play just a prelude or a fugue would be like only playing half of a work. IMO...

BTW, while some schools may list a Bach P&F as an audition requirement, the ones I've talked with say that I could play a Bach Suite or Partita instead.

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[b] I can't even begin to answer the question, as I am a relative beginner (although obsessed with Bach). But I'm curious -- do the schools insist on something from the WTC? Or could one play a prelude and fugue combination that was not in the WTC set?

Or does it go without saying that the WTC material is the hardest?
No, you should play a Prelude and Fugue set from the WTC. The meaning of "a Prelude and Fugue" is a prelude and a fugue in the same key and the same Volume of WTC. [/b]


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i too strongly recommend the e-flat minor from the first book. It has an almost mystical quality to it.. and amazingly (almost hypnotically) beautiful if you can play it well
i heard gavrilov play it live (as an encore!) and i was so damn blown away...

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I feel like all of them are equally challenging and can be played with beautiful simplicity, elegance, style, touch, musicality, and tone! I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. I happen to like the C Major from Book 1 (The first one.) I haven't really heard any of the other ones, but they look rewarding to play! I'm hoping to begin working on them soon!

Have fun!


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