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#51431 - 01/04/09 12:52 PM Yamaha SU7  
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Happy new year to everyone,

How would you rate Yamaha's SU7 in terms of action, touch and sound compare to Bechstein Concert 8, Hamburg Steinway K52, Steingraeber 130, Grotrian Concertino or Blüthner B?

Is the SU7 one of the best upright pianos available?
Why is that particular model not available in the US, only in Europe and some Countries in Asia? Are there plans to end its production?

Any answer would be appreciated.


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#51432 - 01/09/09 11:19 AM Re: Yamaha SU7  
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It would be good if someone 'in the know' could answer this question, as I'm seriously thinking of signing up for an SU7.

There's a bit of pressure to go ahead here in the UK, as the pound/euro issue is driving prices up and I can still get one at the old prices.


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#51433 - 01/09/09 12:13 PM Re: Yamaha SU7  
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The SU7 is, or rather was I think, the flagship Yamaha upright. It has an extremely responsive action when well set up and is certainly a very nice 'large scale manufacturers' piano. How much you like it really depends on the extent to which you like the Yamaha tone.. personally I find that the Yamaha tonal palette is not so broad or distinctive as other pianos you list but then they are not nearly so expensive either.....

Bechstein concert 8's are lovely (again if you like the Bechstein tone) but are ridiculously expensive - considerably in excess of £20k here I believe!!

Steinway uprights are nothing to shout about to my mind and ear and are again very pricey and, if Larry Fine and others are to be believed, somewhat fiddly to obtain a good tuning stability on.

The Steingraeber 130 has a Yamaha action in I believe but is certainly an extremely well crafted, beautiful piano but again costly.... Steingraebers are probably the most 'handbuilt' piano available to buy - they are each truly a labour of love and it shows in the quality of construction. I have played a 138 which was huge and also a 122 which was beautiful.

Grotrian Concertino (is that the 132cm model - i think it is?)I found to have unduly bulky cabinetry... as though it was trying to over-emphasise being a big upright. A good tone, warm and dark but not fuzzy or muddy sounding in the bass, clear in the treble. Nice sounding pianos for sure smile

Bluthner B - again a beautiful piano with a very distinctive soft and mellow tone... lovely albeit perhaps too soft for my 'uncouth' tastes hehe - but very pricey...costs around £18k here before discounts and anything around £14k is a good price before the New Year increases we will likely see.

I posted some thoughts on a variety of top-grade uprights I encountered on my travels to a new piano in a thread here.....

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/1/23314.html#000015 and culminating here....

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/23471.html

hopefully that will help your thinking....

Paul - I got a price on my Sauter M130 not incomparable with the typical prices offered on SU7s and can certainly say that the Sauter knocks the spots of the SU7 in every way conceivable.... if you want a really beautiful and extremely reasonably priced handmade German work of art...go speak to Headingley Pianos in Meanwood, Leeds about their Sauters - truly truly superb instruments smile more details on my eventual purchase here: http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/24587.html#000017

Happy hunting to you both smile


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#51434 - 01/10/09 02:24 AM Re: Yamaha SU7  
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Genaa: many thanks for this very helpful information. I hadn't heard of the Sauter, so it's another to add to those I'm trying to keep in my head all at once.

Why do you say the SU7 '...is, or rather was I think, the flagship...'? Is production ceasing, and is it to be replaced? I understood that it hasn't been in production for long.


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#51435 - 01/10/09 02:32 AM Re: Yamaha SU7  
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Paul,

You are correct. It's a new model. Check the link.

http://www.chrisvenables.co.uk/modelspec/Yamaha%20SU7%20Upright%20Piano.htm


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#51436 - 01/10/09 02:40 AM Re: Yamaha SU7  
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Paul,

If I read well on the Yamaha America website, the SU7 is not avaible in the US, their upper line being in the US the U3, YUS3 and YUS5.

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/List/ModelSeriesList/0,,CTID%25253D201300%252526CNTYP%25253D,00.html

It will be available to aimar in Spain though.

schwammerl.

#51437 - 01/10/09 02:48 AM Re: Yamaha SU7  
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Schwammerl,

You are correct. We will not be seeing the SU7 in the States although that could certainly change later.

Anyway, according to his posting address, Paul is in the UK.


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#51438 - 01/10/09 07:14 AM Re: Yamaha SU7  
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I think there are better uprights to be had for the same price as the SU7. I can't quite see how the increase cost above the YUS5 is justified.

Two of my favorites are the Schimmel K125 and the Bechstein academy 124.

I like the Sauter M line as well but haven't played the 130.


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#51439 - 01/10/09 07:42 AM Re: Yamaha SU7  
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SU7's have been around for ages, despite what the Venables website says hehe... I tried a few c 4 years ago when starting to look for my previous piano and that was when the YUS range was being promoted as the 'new range' to replace/augment the U series. Don't get me wrong, they are certainly well made instruments but pretty hum-drum to be honest at a price point where you 'can' just about get a handcrafted instrument of much smaller production runs.... my M-line was built to order and cost less than an SU7... when I went back to the dealer for final checking prior to completion of sale, he had recently started stocking Bechstein uprights and 'pound for pound' he said the best thing about the Bechstein uprights was how well they helped to sell Sauters smile


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Beethoven: Op 10 no 1
Schubert: Op 90 no 3
Debussy: La Cathedrale Engloutie, Golliwog's Cakewalk, 'Clear the Room'
Balakirev / Glinka: The Lark

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