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#509076 - 08/06/06 02:48 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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Hi All,
Along the lines of evil / satanic music, isn't Scriabin's own subtitle for one of his piano sonatas (I think it's no.8) "Black Mass"?...


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#509077 - 08/07/06 02:21 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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try the Vocalise by Rachmaninoff. There is a version for piano solo. I don't know how difficult it would be for you but it doesn't appear to be advanced and it definitely is a little sad.

#509078 - 08/07/06 03:45 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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[b] Pendereski's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima is the scariest thing I've ever heard.
That's because you haven't heard my pounding the piano in one of those New Music, New...Really? Yeah, Sure new music happenings, with people-eating tigers providing the accompaniment by hunting audience members, no, Audience Members (an Eurasian red squirrel, quick fellow, they never catch him, but oh do they make music!). The tigers aren't the scary part, it's the music they make that is scary. Makes your flesh crawl worse. [/b]
AH: I have read your post several times and haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. I'll take your word for the facts that music is generated by what you describe and that it's really scary. Until I've hear your tiger music, I'll stand by my assertion that the Pendereski is the scariest.

#509079 - 08/07/06 04:45 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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try the Vocalise by Rachmaninoff. There is a version for piano solo. I don't know how difficult it would be for you but it doesn't appear to be advanced and it definitely is a little sad.
it's very difficult to play well-much harder than it sounds smile


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#509080 - 08/07/06 07:13 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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AH: I have read your post several times
You flatter...

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and haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.
Ouch...

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I'll take your word for the facts that music is generated by what you describe and that it's really scary. Until I've hear your tiger music, I'll stand by my assertion that the Pendereski is the scariest.
Penderecki?

Tigers music? Oh, they is just fanged humor... You no like it?

#509081 - 08/07/06 08:15 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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I do agree that Rachmaninoff is beautiful and sedutive, in general... not evil to me... Music that is evil to me is when I hear music and I think that the composer is completely unbalanced and struggling for sanity...I get no message from the composer except this is noise, weird and confused... Sandy B


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#509082 - 08/14/06 12:32 AM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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Jeez guys cmon....

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#509083 - 08/14/06 04:49 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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Alkan's Chanson de la folle au bord de la mer, op. 31, no. 8. Sounds pretty easy with a haunting mysterious quality.

#509084 - 08/15/06 08:55 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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#509085 - 08/16/06 10:36 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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Oh man, for me it has got to be Prokofiev's second Concerto. The Brass entrance after the huge cadenza, the freaky climax in the third movement, and the startling, hair-raising, reentrance of the first theme of the fourth movement. God, I get chills every time.

#509086 - 08/21/06 09:22 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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hm, i think Prokofiev's Toccata Op. 11. I'm working on it now...it's pretty evil sounding. Sort of like a train ride to heck! :p

#509087 - 08/24/06 10:18 AM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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To tell you the truth, Pendereski's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima didn't even scare me. When I first heard it, it sounded too much like a bartok. No theme, no melody, just...sound effects and it didn't really grab me. Although, I'll have to admit that it was a genius to come up with something like that, I didn't really find it scary, nor did it hit or make my heart pound.

If you want something that is scary, I found the Sonata Appassionata scary, the first time I heard it. Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C# minor is pretty creepy as well.

#509088 - 08/24/06 12:27 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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I would say, Rachmaninoff etudes-tableaux op.33 #8, op.39 #1 and op.39 #6.
And most definitely, Prokofiev's 'Diabolical suggestion'.

#509089 - 08/24/06 12:28 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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Pendereski's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima is the scariest thing I've ever heard. Makes your flesh crawl.
Agreed. That thing terrifies me haha


So, you're a cannibal.
#509090 - 08/24/06 12:36 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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Etude Op. 25 No. 6 ("thirds"). You've got to love the cadence of diminished sevenths that leads to the return of the main theme. The piece does end quietly on a conciliatory major chord, though.
I loudly disagree with that. To me it's even romantic! I love it.

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#509092 - 08/24/06 04:08 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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[b]Etude Op. 25 No. 6 ("thirds"). You've got to love the cadence of diminished sevenths that leads to the return of the main theme. The piece does end quietly on a conciliatory major chord, though.
I loudly disagree with that. To me it's even romantic! I love it. [/b]
Liszt_BG, I know that you're taking issue with the "evil/satanic" characterization (since my statements that you quote about the cadence and the ending are manifestly true), and that's fine; reasonable minds will certainly differ.

But consider -- and this is the specific connection I was making in citing that cadence -- the history behind the dreaded tritone and, by extension, the diminished seventh chord.
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Some 4-voice chords are used in traditional, 'classical' and church music but others such as the diminished seventh were strictly forbidden in early sacred music as they contained the tritone interval; the mathematical halfway point in the octave which allegedly sounded Satanic.
In any event, I love this "romantic" ├ętude, too, but -- to my ear -- I maintain it definitely does fit the mold of what was sought after in this thread -- at least to the extent that any piece of music can be imagined to have such attributes. I even thought so the first time I heard it long ago as a child on a 78-rpm record that I bought at a rummage sale. [/b]
Oh OK. I see your point, and I agree with it because you're right about that.
In this thread though, I am pointing pieces that *SOUND* satanic/evil, not ones that contain such symbolism.

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#509094 - 08/24/06 04:49 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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you want satanic/evil- try the Listz transcriptions of Wagner!


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#509095 - 08/25/06 05:27 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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I disagree that Scriabin's Vers la Flamme is satanic... i would say it's just the opposite - very uplifting, in a natural, primal sort of way - like a moth being attracted to a flame or light.

On the other hand, Scriabin's 6th sonata is just downright evil. It's even more evil than the black mass (8th sonata) and satanic poem, IMO, and Scriabin's too, he said himself he was afraid of this sonata and refused to perform it.

#509096 - 08/25/06 05:28 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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ironic too how some of the most "evil" pieces in the repertory are also some of the most challenging! I wouldn't recommend 90% of these pieces to anyone except aspiring concert pianists!!!

#509097 - 08/25/06 07:17 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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#509098 - 10/13/07 12:31 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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Instead of posting the same question again, I'm just going to resurrect this old thread, and save forum space (yay for search functions). That is to say, I'd like to chime in with my opinion on this whole 'evil music' thing.

A lot of the pieces which have been mentioned so far don't strike me as particularly evil, at least not in the sense I would define the term. Plenty of composers have explored the darker sides of human emotion, but these pieces are usually involved with depression or despair, even the more 'aggressive' ones like the second movement of Shostakovich's 8th string quartet. Liszt's Totentanz is more grand and bombastic than it is malevolent, with plenty of more playful passages as well. The music of Penderecki or Crumb sounds merely frightnening to me.

There seems to have been little composed that truly 'revels' in evil. There's plenty to turn to for joy, or sadness, and a vast spectrum of emotions in between, but not much when I want fury, the diabolical, the sadistic, or the nightmarish and grotesque. I wonder if, in the past, this had to do with composers actually being afraid or reluctant to, well, glorify evil.

Therefore, I usually turn to filmmusic (but these are often short and unsatisfying) or other genres. Some personal recommendations in filmmusic:

*Wojciech Kilar - The Ninth Gate - Opening titles (not to be confused with the 'theme from the Ninth Gate', which is titled 'Vocalise)
*Danny Elfman - Sleepy Hollow - Main titles
*Danny Elfman - Batman Returns - The Cemetary
*Danny Elfman - Batman Returns - Selina Transforms
*Elliot Goldenthal - Batman Forever - Two-Face Three-Step
*Elliot Goldenthal - Interview with the Vampire - Santiago's Waltz
*Jerry Goldsmith - The Omen - Ave Satani
*Jerry Goldsmith - The Omen II - Main Titles
*Jerry Goldsmith - The Omen III - Main Title
*Jerry Goldsmith - The Omen III - The Ambassador

Then again, maybe I'm not looking hard enough. Further recommendations are welcome.

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#509100 - 10/13/07 02:38 PM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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Liszt's Totentanz is about as chilling as you can get.
Good music. Real good music. It's quite underrated. You should check it out.


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#509101 - 10/16/07 11:08 AM Re: classical pieces that sound evil/satanic  
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There's plenty to turn to for joy, or sadness, and a vast spectrum of emotions in between, but not much when I want fury, the diabolical, the sadistic, or the nightmarish and grotesque.
I wil say however, that some (if not all) of Scriabin's late sonatas are utterly phantasmagorical. But they have been mentioned smile

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Fur Elise. Religion scholars believe that it is played on constant loop in the deepest recesses of heck.


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Fur Elise. Religion scholars believe that it is played on constant loop in the deepest recesses of heck.
I thought it was Pachelbel's Canon or The Beatles' Yesterday.


Jason
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Fur Elise. Religion scholars believe that it is played on constant loop in the deepest recesses of heck.
I thought it was Pachelbel's Canon or The Beatles' Yesterday.
"The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of heck, a heck of Heav'n."

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Or, you say tomato I say tomato.


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Or, you say tomato I say tomato.
So let's call the whole thing off...


Jason
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