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Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506680
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Why would someone feel embarrassed to like a certain piece of music?
I think it is because that sometimes, we feel we should be more philisophical or what not. Not sure if I am using the right word. And we feel bad when we like pieces that are "popular" or more used for show. It makes us feel less sometimes. Of course this is just my opinion on the matter

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Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506681
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Yes, phonehome, but just think of the bills that get paid from the Warsaw Concerto and NOT from the Fantasia from Themes from Pierrot Lunaire!!!!!!!(Just kiddin')

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506682
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If you have money to pay your bills you're not a real musician. End of story smokin

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506683
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Geeesh - you guys - Rach II sure does stir up a lot of emotions out there... cool

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506684
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Rach 2 pays the bills too!! (hehe)--Rach 3 pays more bills--more notes to play.

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506685
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Rach 2 pays the bills too!! (hehe)--Rach 3 pays more bills--more notes to play.
There was a topic about this recently (loosely) - I can't remember exactly but it was just shy of 30000 notes with the longer cadenza. I imagine you wouldn't get 30000 'notes' for a performance though smokin

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Phonehome, I usually don't post off-topic comments (I usually just don't post), but your post was a post worthy of posting, to put it obtusely. smile

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506687
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Depends on the orchestra---

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506688
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Originally posted by phonehome:
My mother was listening to a Fantasia on themes from Pierrot Lunnaire and I just loved it.
You don't perhaps mean Thomas Tallis for Pierrot Lunaire, do you? I cannot find any reference to a fantasy on the Schoenberg work. Not that I would care, anyway. The Vaughan Williams work, however, has been a portal for many to enter the glorious world of classical music.

Its premiere at Gloucester Cathedral in 1910 caused quite a stir, coming just before a major British choral work that was starting to sound a bit dated. (At least at that time.)


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Argerichfan I was being facetious. I've never even listened to Pierrot all the way through.

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506690
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Ian, being a synaesthete you probably know Scriabin's youthful concerto. Others that may be to your taste, if you don't already know them, are the Brahms D minor, the slow movements of the Shostakovich, and the Arthur Bliss.

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It's hard to classify things which may be to my "taste". If you are referencing those because they have some perceived relation to synaesthesis, it may not be the same for me as for you. If you are simply recommending them on the basis that they're emotional and awesome, then that's more logical, perhaps!

I shall seek them out either way.


Liszt, Chopin, Rachmaninov, Satie, Debussy.. the names of the hallowed.
Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506692
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One of the favourite lines of attack on Rachmaninoff is that it nothing more than romanticised Hollywood rubbish and that it can't compare to the genius of Beethoven or Mozart. It's musical snobbery at its worst and, in the case of Rachmaninoff, betrays a complete lack of understanding of his music. Frankly, it's childish to argue who is capable of "real composition" -- we're not in the playground now.

To sum up Rachmaninoff's output as heart-on-the-sleeve music is entirely at odds with his recordings of his own works. His works repay closer inspection. In fact, his skill in composition lies further under the surface than the initially attractive (to some, sentimental) melody. Try the Variations on a Theme of Corelli and the Symphonic Dances for a glimpse of something rather more profound -- certainly more so than Fur Elise.

As for Rachmaninoff's gifts as a pianist, last time I checked, his recordings of Schumann's Carnaval and Chopin's Bb Minor Sonata are still considered among the finest, if not definitive. That's quite apart from his formidable reputation amongst the finest pianists of his day.

Finally, returning to the original topic of the thread, some other piano concertos that you may want to listen to include those by John Ireland, Shostakovitch (perhaps best known for the beautiful 2nd movement), Tchaikovsky (the First), Beethoven (the Fourth), Schumann.

But why restrict things to piano concertos? There's a wealth of great music out there. Tristan and Isolde may just send your brain into synaesthetic overdrive!

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506693
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Rach's shorter works ie Preludes and Etudes are wonderful--as Brahms wrote his shorter pieces, and Scriabin as well. Take a look and listen

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506694
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Several posts have mentioned British piano concertos. The Ireland is a favourite of mine, also worthy are Howells in C minor, Vaughan Williams and two by Rawsthorne. The Delius is a total bomb-out, and I wish I could like Bliss's grandiloquence better than yok, above.

Jeffrey: are the fees higher for Rach 3 than 2?


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Ligeti Piano Concerto

Ravel Piano Concerto

Schumann Piano Concerto

Beethoven's 4th

Dvorak Piano Concerto

(Im assuming were talking about piano concerti smile )

Those are some amazing concerti that are very emotional, colorful, and wonderfully orchestrated.

The Ligeti has sparks of life and dances that sound so joyful! And then desolate moments like in animal bleeding in the snow alone in the middle of winter. Amazing pianism, amazing orchestrating, amazing music, amazing rhythms, amazing contrasts, one of my favorite pieces!

Beethoven's 4th has always been my favorite. It sounds very graceful and organic. There is something about the range/key/soundworld that is a bit calmer and more 'watery' than the others.

I am not assuming these surpass any other piece. They have just always been some of my favorites, not because they are written 'better' than any particular piece or because they are technical, but because they speak directly to me. In my opinion, music is not a race to surpass one piece after the other... music has never been a competition for me.

If your in the mood for some new concerti, check these out!


"Beauty is unbearable, drives us to despair, offering us for a minute the glimpse of an eternity that we should like to stretch out over the whole of time."

-Albert Camus,

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Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506696
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No--it depends on the orchestra-sometimes the Rhapsody in Blue pays better--go figure. Just now, Liebermann Third is the hot piece.

I remember hearing Stephen Hough breeze through the John Ireland Piano Concerto in Adele Marcus' studio--charming work!

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JBiegel – Came across your Chopin on youtube yesterday which I enjoyed. But why no pictures of your goodself? confused Just idle curiosity. wink

Re: A match for Rach II, anyone? #506698
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Also, try Lou Harrison's concerto, in which the piano is tuned to even (hmm, should that be equal?) temperament. All of it is excellent, though the slow movement is a gem.

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Pianorak--it was only audio. I have someone toying with video of both Rach 2 and Prokofieff 3.

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