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#499772 - 10/16/05 02:25 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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VA/MD/England...long story...
well said. i don't care, but i'm sure there are a lot of gay construction workers. just saying that not all gays are "feminine" and "artsy". my cousin's a butcher, and his partner was in the marines until his commanding officer found out he was gay. they feared for his safety, so he left the job he loved because people only saw him as gay. they didn't see him as a man who had gone to Iraq, willing to sacrifice his life for his country. his "commrades" only saw him as a threat. when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter who one sleeps with.


That's right...I have the same birthday as Mozart. If only it meant something and I could have one thousandth of his genius...in my dreams, i suppose.
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#499773 - 10/16/05 06:13 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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So this is why I've been feeling all gay lately. I thought I was absorbing it from Burger King commercials.

#499774 - 10/16/05 06:46 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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"musicians who are male"?? Does this include rock, blues, and jazz musicians too?

wow, sex with all those hot groupie girls must sure be a tiring front to keep up.


I was born the year Glenn Gould stop playing concerts. Coincidence?
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I go to a performing arts high school and we have so many gay people that you would not believe it...

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#499776 - 10/16/05 07:42 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter who one sleeps with.
it shouldn't matter, but I believe it does matter to all too many people. And for a variety of dubious reasons.


I was born the year Glenn Gould stop playing concerts. Coincidence?
#499777 - 10/16/05 09:11 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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Gays or bisexuals or whatever... in short, they have a different degree in gender issues...I've already proven this myself... in my conservatory, those you suspect to be such are most probably correct...

Well, are there any gays and bisexuals out here?
I was wondering if you were hoping to hook up with people on here? smile Are you 'gay', 'bi', 'straight'?...

Ironically, as I type this, the radio is playing 'YMCA'... ha ha

I know of one guitar teacher at a prestigious NYC school who is a sister of Dorothy. She's very well known in the guitar world.. smile

A lot of pianists I've met have been gay, but as most have said here, it isn't an issue. It would be a HUGE problem in my field, (Finance), but 'the arts' embraces it wholeheartedly...

#499778 - 10/16/05 09:20 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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I often wonder how many people have libraries of books lining their walls with opinions on all, but having never opened nor read any, basing their opinions on the cover of each.

Coincidentally, I think it is precisely because there is a larger density of gay/bi-sexualism in the 'arts' fields that results in a greater acceptance of such a disposition (being neither right nor wrong, good nor evil), whereas the same cannot be said of most other fields. It would make for an interesting study, but I'm not sure how much conclusive evidence one could unearth.

And I had to laugh at this observation:
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Ironically, as I type this, the radio is playing 'YMCA'... ha ha
:p wink


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#499779 - 10/16/05 09:30 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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I often wonder how many people have libraries of books lining their walls with opinions on all, but having never opened nor read any, basing their opinions on the cover of each.

Coincidentally, I think it is precisely because there is a larger density of gay/bi-sexualism in the 'arts' fields that results in a greater acceptance of such a disposition (being neither right nor wrong, good nor evil), whereas the same cannot be said of most other fields. It would make for an interesting study, but I'm not sure how much conclusive evidence one could unearth.

And I had to laugh at this observation:
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Ironically, as I type this, the radio is playing 'YMCA'... ha ha
:p wink
I TOTALLY agree - book covers are SO misleading.

A study would be interesting, but it would be fraught in difficulties. It would be a variation on the, 'did having gay parents/siblings make me gay?' etc etc ...

#499780 - 10/16/05 10:37 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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Did anyone brought up the horowitz quote yet?
Something like all great pianists are either jewish or gay. All of the heteros better start convertin. (or become gay)


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#499781 - 10/16/05 10:41 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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I am and I'm quite sure it wasn't the piano that caused it.

I'm in the prepress business and there have always been a number of openly gay people where I work (graphic designers, typesetters, etc.).


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#499782 - 10/16/05 11:51 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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Did anyone brought up the horowitz quote yet?
Something like all great pianists are either jewish or gay. All of the heteros better start convertin. (or become gay)
"There are three kinds of pianists: Jewish pianists, homosexual pianists, and bad pianists."

(Horowitz was two of the three.)


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#499783 - 10/16/05 11:56 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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I know it probobly must seem that many gay people play the piano, but I'm not gay and I play the piano! I could name at least 20 other people I know who are definately not gay who play the piano. I truly only have met one or two gay pianists.... unless everyone isn't being truthful.....

#499784 - 10/17/05 12:03 AM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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[b] Did anyone brought up the horowitz quote yet?
Something like all great pianists are either jewish or gay. All of the heteros better start convertin. (or become gay)
"There are three kinds of pianists: Jewish pianists, homosexual pianists, and bad pianists."

(Horowitz was two of the three.) [/b]
Where does LISZT fit into this picture?


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#499785 - 10/17/05 04:31 AM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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I could name at least 20 other people I know who are definately not gay who play the piano
My brother gave up piano lessons after about 5 weeks and he's gay. I still play now after 15 years or so and everyone thinks I'm gay. There's an irony in there somewhere I'm sure.

Oh, how come no-one mentioned the genius of Liberace in a gay pianist thread? [Linked Image]

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#499786 - 10/17/05 08:43 AM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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To reply to the whole LESBIAN question a few posts ago....

I think there's a LOT more gay pianists than lesbian pianists. In South Africa, I haven't met or heard of one lesbian pianist, but have had my share of gay pianists.

But I don't know whether there's any connection between the two, but personally, I really hope not, coz my future perfect husband must also be a pianist!

Hi from South Africa


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...but have had my share of gay pianists.

eek eek eek

#499788 - 10/17/05 01:20 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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I wouldn't say that a lot of classical pianists have a tendency to be gay. Disco pianists on the other hand...

#499789 - 10/17/05 01:25 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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To reply to the whole LESBIAN question a few posts ago....

I think there's a LOT more gay pianists than lesbian pianists. In South Africa, I haven't met or heard of one lesbian pianist, but have had my share of gay pianists.

But I don't know whether there's any connection between the two, but personally, I really hope not, coz my future perfect husband must also be a pianist!

Hi from South Africa
Do you think that there are a lot more male pianists than female pianists in South Africa?


Sam
#499790 - 10/17/05 05:21 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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This thread is getting absurd, but you might find this interesting.

My work career has been varied, and outside of my interest in music. I've worked in factories, field service, computer rooms, etc., over the many years of employment. I noticed that as the education goes up, for the most part, the tolerance level of others goes up as well.

As a PC-board solderer, I worked with, well let's put it, a rough crowd. There was never any Classical music on the radio, and the biggest thing to do was to get drunk on Friday to Sunday.

To give you a picture of the environment, the women walked around with cigarette packs tucked under their sleeves, and had the butts stuck to their lower lip with an ash that was the length of the cigarette. The men wore overalls, and had tattoos up and down their arms, and mostly had a beer or more for lunch. The scary part is the women had deeper voices then the men in many cases.

Anyway, at one point, someone who knew I was studying music, asked me if all Classical composers were gay! Huh? What!!? I've never heard that before!

I probed deeper, and through the rather ignorant conversation with the and duffs like dat, and ya know dat duff. I got the impression that it's because the music sounds gay compared to rock music.

Hmmm... I though deeply before I spoke. I said that maybe some where gay, but not all of them. Bach had 8 children, Mozart had a family, Schubert died from syphillis caught on his birthday, and Robert Schumann married Clara Wiek. The other macho-man looked at me in amazement, and didn't say anything.

There was an openly gay man working there. He was picked on with some pretty low-life insults that would make anyone's stomach churn. He took it on the chin, and gave a few back. We used to talk at lunch, and one day my supervisor spoke with me because that gave people a bad impression about me. Now, granted this was twenty-five years ago, and today these types of actions wouldn't be tolerated in the workplace, including the discussion with my supervisor, but these thing happened did then and were taken for granted.

There were others there too that were suspected of being gay, and people would make comments even though these people claimed they weren't. These people acted so macho that it was sickening.

Now from the eyes of a casual observer, what does this prove? It proves that there maybe no more gay people in the performing and visual arts than in other occupations, it's just as we've said before that the people in the arts are more comfortable with themselves, and therefore, act like themselves rather than to hold everything in.

John


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#499791 - 10/17/05 05:54 PM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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One of my former piano teachers -- a woman and also a personal friend -- told me that during her four years at Juillard, she found it difficult to find other students there who were male and not gay. Probably she was referring mostly to pianists.


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Hey John,

Correction, Bach had 20 children,... the joke is because his organ didn't have any stops.

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Most scientific studies on the question tend to reinforce the idea that sexual preference is genetic: one is either gay, bisexual or heterosexual. One cannot be "made" gay, just as gay men and women cannot be "made" straight.

For every gay pianist you can name, I'm sure someone can come up with ten or more who are not, which is about the average.

I fail to see what sexual preference and playing the piano have to do with each other.
While I neither agree nor disagree with your scientific study assertion (as I just don't know), it seems (if true) to subtly contradict your final statement don't you think? That is to say, your last statement implies that the fact of one's being gay brings no other genetic qualities along with it! It seems that if one were to truly believe that being gay is mostly genetic, then they would have to also believe that the same set of genes might produce a person who liked certain things (or does certain things) more than others might. So you're not allowing the piano-playing affinity quality (for lack of a better term) to be genetic (and related to an alleged gay gene). Surely if homosexuality is genetic, then it would show up in a variety of characteristics in a person. And perhaps it does. I was a little thrown by your logic there, so take this for whatever it's worth.

Rick

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Are pianists who are female suspected to be lesbians too? I think they are! Did you also notice that most of these female pianists especially those playing in the chopin competition have no armpit hair too? So I think they must have been genetically modified.


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Hey John,

Correction, Bach had 20 children,... the joke is because his organ didn't have any stops.
Good one Steve! laugh


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#499796 - 10/18/05 12:13 AM Re: It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.  
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I think that artists and musicians care more about their art then they do someones sexual preference. The fine arts and music are very emotional, and take much of someone's soul to bring out. Therefore, there is more focus on the beauty of the arts rather than the other aspects of life.

The reason why I say this is that both of my parents went to art school, and a number of their friends are openly gay. They are accepted as friends just like other so-called straight people.

I was brought up to accept them as people, and what they can do as artists, rather than whom they sleep with.

To sum it up, who cares.

John
Well said sir. What you just said applys directly with the way I am. I am straight, but I'm constantly consumed by the music... not women.

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not ALWAYS though... laugh

sometimes, a nice distraction is a GOOD thing.

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I havn't found that there are an unusual amount of gay pianists, but I have found, at least at my school, that literally the majority of male tenor's are gay. I don't know if my university is just unusually gay, but 50%+ is definately a close aproximation.

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Hi, folks. It's been a while, but I just had to post on this one. "Suspected to be gay" (subject-line)? Almost always, especially in school. I remember being suspected of being gay even before I realized I *was* gay. (Boy, was *that* disconcerting!) And I'm fairly certain that one is not "made" gay. But don't quote me. Anyway, I agree with John - fundamentally, it doesn't matter, at least not to anyone else but you and the person/persons with whom you are intimate. Let the others guess!

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There are 8 male piano majors in my university including me and 3 of them are definitely gay. A few guys I'm not too sure about.

I am 100% straight and have never been suspected of being gay. I'd have to say that a bigger percentage of voice majors are gay in my university than pianists. Come to think of it, almost all of the voice majors are homosexual in my school.

NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE HERE but I'm not one to hangout with homosexuals. My guy friends are and have always been attracted to girls. I guess you can say I'm homophobic.

But when it comes to playing the piano, I am not shy about expressing my feelings. Who cares what anybody thinks!


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...but have had my share of gay pianists.

eek eek eek [/b]
Not in THAT way man, then they'd be BI-sexual not homosexual! But you know that story about gay guys having lots of girl-friends, well that's true, and I've been in that boat.


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