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#497536 - 10/01/01 06:54 PM Trills, books on  
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Trills come up in these messages frequently and goodness knows they appear in a lot of music that we play. Can anyone recommend a good book on trills? One that explains the rules of trilling in different periods and styles.

Unless, of course, someone here can formulate the whole thing in a nutshell (?)


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#497537 - 10/01/01 08:34 PM Re: Trills, books on  
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I would like to know also.

If you want to see someone perform the most graceful and beautiful trills...watch footage of Glenn Gould : )


Glenn Gould in regards to music:

The problem begins when one forgets the artificiality of it all, when one neglects to pay homage to those designations that to our minds-to our reflect senses, perhaps-make of music an analyzable commodity. The trouble begins when we start to become so impressed by the strategies of ours systematized thought that we forget that it does relate to an obverse, that it is hewn from negation, that it is but a very small security against the void of negation which surrounds it.
#497538 - 10/01/01 08:41 PM Re: Trills, books on  
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Somehow I knew how your second sentence was going to end after reading just the first 5 words. Do I have ESP or what?


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#497539 - 10/01/01 08:43 PM Re: Trills, books on  
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A whole book on trills? How much would there be to say apart from which periods favored starting on a leading upper or lower note and which periods favored starting on the principal note; which period favored precisely timed, rhythmic trills and which favored a freer, non-rhythmic (even accelerating or decelerating) trill?

Then there's the trill with a prepared appoggiatura, and the trill with a turned ending, etc.

You could probably do it in a couple of well-written paragraphs, or maybe one short chapter.

Would you settle for a book on all types of ornamentation? Groves lists three columns of books on ornaments and ornamentation.

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Bernard:

No, I don't think it's ESP, ...

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#497541 - 10/01/01 08:59 PM Re: Trills, books on  
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BruceD,

A chapter would do if that would cover it. It just seems the variations are endless. Isn't it, apart from period, also a matter of leading notes or passing notes, etc. I don't have a comprehensive overview; that's what the (short) book is for. Also, I'm including some types of ornamentation under the topic of trill. I'll gladly settle for a book on all ornamentation and I'll look into Groves. Thanks much.


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#497542 - 10/01/01 09:04 PM Re: Trills, books on  
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Eh, it's just because I can relate Glenn Gould to any subject anyone can think of.


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The problem begins when one forgets the artificiality of it all, when one neglects to pay homage to those designations that to our minds-to our reflect senses, perhaps-make of music an analyzable commodity. The trouble begins when we start to become so impressed by the strategies of ours systematized thought that we forget that it does relate to an obverse, that it is hewn from negation, that it is but a very small security against the void of negation which surrounds it.
#497543 - 10/01/01 09:09 PM Re: Trills, books on  
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There is a book, "Ornamentation: A Question and Answer Manual" by Valery Lloyd-Watts and Carole L. Bigler with the assistance of Willard A. Palmer. See http://www.morethanmusic.com/html/vlw_pub.html

It perpetuates Willard Palmer's somewhat extreme views. (He didn't approve of any "on the note" trills in classic period compostions, even though there is evidence these were played when making sense melodically. Also, he ignored inverted mordents.)

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If its ESP then I think that we all have it.


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#497545 - 10/02/01 10:22 PM Re: Trills, books on  
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Thank you, MacDuff, for the info and link. Lead on!


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#497546 - 10/03/01 04:47 PM Re: Trills, books on  
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Quote
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If its ESP then I think that we all have it.



You think I talk about him THAT much?


Glenn Gould in regards to music:

The problem begins when one forgets the artificiality of it all, when one neglects to pay homage to those designations that to our minds-to our reflect senses, perhaps-make of music an analyzable commodity. The trouble begins when we start to become so impressed by the strategies of ours systematized thought that we forget that it does relate to an obverse, that it is hewn from negation, that it is but a very small security against the void of negation which surrounds it.
#497547 - 10/04/01 07:02 AM Re: Trills, books on  
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You think I talk about him THAT much?


duhH!! wink

#497548 - 10/04/01 09:56 AM Re: Trills, books on  
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Nah, I barely ever talk about Glenn...

By the way, does anyone else love the way Glenn's hair slighty fell over his face and
covered his big beautiful eyes while he was getting deep into a piece?!?

Just kidding....maybe :p


Glenn Gould in regards to music:

The problem begins when one forgets the artificiality of it all, when one neglects to pay homage to those designations that to our minds-to our reflect senses, perhaps-make of music an analyzable commodity. The trouble begins when we start to become so impressed by the strategies of ours systematized thought that we forget that it does relate to an obverse, that it is hewn from negation, that it is but a very small security against the void of negation which surrounds it.

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