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#486180 - 12/14/04 04:41 PM WTC or WTK?  
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Well-Tempered Clavier or Well-Tempered Klavier (and other variants). Which is more "correct"?

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#486181 - 12/14/04 05:11 PM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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Since 'clavier' is an English word (though not in origin), in translation, I'd say the former.

Personally, I prefer the Babelfish translation:

'The piano well-being-kept at a moderate temperature.'


David


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#486182 - 12/14/04 10:30 PM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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ha ha ha! gotta love babelfish. You should try typing something in german or spanish or whatever you know and translating it back to english. It's pretty darn funny.


Raspberry liqueur, apparently. :p
#486183 - 12/15/04 05:11 AM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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It's not terribly surprising 'The Art of the Joint' was left unfinished... [Linked Image]


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#486184 - 12/15/04 05:52 AM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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I guess it doesn't matter much. My personal preference is of course WTC.

#486185 - 12/15/04 06:06 AM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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I just noticed my first and second posts in this thread are exactly 12 hours apart.

(Slow day at work.)


David


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#486186 - 12/15/04 08:58 AM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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I'd think Well-Tempered Clavier is more correct than Well-Tempered Klavier. While the true spelling in German is Klavier, "Well-Tempered" is definitely not German. In German, it is "Das Wohltemperirte Klavier".

Does it really matter?


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#486187 - 12/15/04 10:02 AM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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hey, if bach's publisher, balthazar schmidt of Leipzig,who published bachs works during his lifetime, can spell clavier with a "C", then i think we all can sleep well at night with WTC.

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this is of course the goldberg title page but all of the clavierbungs were spelled with a "C".


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#486188 - 12/15/04 10:15 AM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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In modern german, it is "Wohltemperiertes Klavier", but in Bach's time it was spelled "Clavier". However, I think the term "Clavier" in that time denotes the set of the three keyboard instruments of that time: clavichord, cembalo, and organ.

Klaus

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In modern german, it is "Wohltemperiertes Klavier", but in Bach's time it was spelled "Clavier". However, I think the term "Clavier" in that time denotes the set of the three keyboard instruments of that time: clavichord, cembalo, and organ.
Indeed. And so, just to muddy the waters further, an alternative (and arguably more thorough) translation into English is "The Well-Tempered Keyboard" smile . I would still prefer WTC to WTK. But in my experience when a short name is wanted in speech rather than writing, it is normally just "The 48".

Best wishes,
Matthew


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#486190 - 12/16/04 05:00 AM Re: WTC or WTK?  
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whatever you call its fantastic. one of the pinnacles of the keyboard literature...


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