Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Fall 2017
Who's Online Now
98 registered members (anotherscott, Alex_, Anita Potter, Anil Kalagatla, ando, Bambers, 28 invisible), 1,289 guests, and 2 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
#481040 - 03/05/06 05:11 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
Max W Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Max W  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
RHUL
I thought the 2nd and 3rd Mephisto Waltes were orchestral! *is confused*

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#481041 - 03/05/06 06:00 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 97
IpsoPhatso Offline
Full Member
IpsoPhatso  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 97
When it comes to popularity, what are you speaking of? Do you mean popular as in how the general public would recongnize the theme? Or taking it a step further, and can the general public name the piece and composer as well.

If we are talking about JUST recongnizing the theme, I'd say Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody #2 is right there at the top. If we are talking about actually naming the piece/composer, as well as recongnizing the theme, then I'd say Fur Elise is at the top. Everybody knows that's Beethoven.

Anyway, as for the original topic, I'd say Liszt, then Rach, then Chopin.

#481042 - 03/05/06 07:07 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 150
Heretic Offline
Full Member
Heretic  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 150
I agree ipso, I doubt anyone can name the Hungarian Rhapsody #2 or who composed it but most have heard the actual theme as opposed to fur elise which most people can also name.
But then again many of the other popular pieces most people wouldn't be able to name either such as Mozart's 40th, k. 545, 1812, William Tell, Queen of the Night Aria, Bach Toccata, etc, etc, almost none of those pieces would be actually identifiable by people by name AND composer.

#481043 - 03/05/06 08:57 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Derulux  Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Philadelphia
Quote
BTW, I would be interested in hearing some well-prepared Liszt by you, particularly some less played work(s), like the third Mephisto Waltz (which I still haven't heard)...
*laughs* So would I! :p wink

I'm working with Rachmaninoff right now (several preludes), and I think Chopin is next, but I'll see if I can't get Liszt into the rotation. (It'll take some convincing to get my teacher "on board"...but we'll see. wink )

(And which Liszt were you referring to? <---Now I'm curious. wink )


Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.
(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#481044 - 03/05/06 09:22 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 827
C.V. Alkan Offline
500 Post Club Member
C.V. Alkan  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 827
Denver, Colorado
I think Rachmaninoffs Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini 18th variation is probably better known by audiences then either the 2nd or 3rd concerti.

Difficulty of the composer's works:

1. Liszt - Rachmaninoff never wrote anything as difficult as the Beethoven Symphony Transcriptions, a few of the Transcendental Etudes, Some of the opera transcriptions (Norma, Don Juan, etc.), the Hexameron, etc.

2. Rachmaninoff

3. Chopin

The difficulty of their works, however, is utterly unimportant. When it comes to who's music I prefer, I'm kinda at a loss. I think Liszt is probably my favorite composer though. Ask me this time next week and I may say Rachmaninoff or Chopin.

Although it is a touchy and subjective subject, the question of who was the most influential or "greatest" composer is also important. I would say Liszt is the most influential because:

1. He created the idea of a "concert pianist". Before him, solo piano recitals (As you all know, he also coined the term "recital") where the pianist plays for a large crowd were almost non-existent.

2. He arguably played the most instrumental role in bringing Beethoven's music back to popularity.

3. He taught many of the great composers of the 19th century and is partly responsible for many of their greatest compositions (ex: Tchaikowsky's 1st concerto). He was also one of Rachmaninoffs biggest influences.

4. He was a far more prolific composer than either Rachmaninoff or Chopin.


- Zack -
#481045 - 03/05/06 09:24 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 827
C.V. Alkan Offline
500 Post Club Member
C.V. Alkan  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 827
Denver, Colorado
*delete


- Zack -
#481046 - 03/05/06 10:07 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Derulux  Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Philadelphia
All you gotta do is say, "Liszt is the guy who turned the piano sideways," and I'll vote for him. :p wink


Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.
#481047 - 03/05/06 10:58 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 118
Appassionata Sonata Offline
Full Member
Appassionata Sonata  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 118
Liszt was also influential in other ways that Zack didn't mention. - He was the inventor of Impressionism and atonal music.


If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed - Einstein
#481048 - 03/06/06 03:05 AM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,230
Antonius Hamus Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Antonius Hamus  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,230
Re 3rd Mephisto Waltz... First of all, Andsnes' Liszt album contains the 2nd and the 4th, so those I've heard played with the piano (haven't heard them in their possible/conceivable orchestral form)...

I know the 3rd exists as a piano version... Whether it is an original piano composition, or a transcription by Liszt himself (which it would otherwise be), I don't know, but talking about Liszt, I don't think it really matters (his orchestral writing was rather pianistic, like Beethoven's (and quite unlike Wagner's), and his different versions of his own works tended to differ remarkably from each other anyhow, which signify that the 3rd is probably not just a good piece for piano, but also could be thought of as an independent composition for piano (even if it is a transcription, that is)).

#481049 - 03/06/06 09:10 AM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 631
jpw101 Offline
500 Post Club Member
jpw101  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 631
UK
The third and fourth Mephisto Waltzes exist as solo piano pieces only, the first and second have orchestral and piano-duet counterparts too.

The third is a brilliant piece, well worth learning. Shame it's not recorded and performed more often. John Ogdon wrote:

"The Third 'Mephisto' Waltz (1883) is a finely wrought, ardent tone-poem whose unusual chord structures foreshadow Scriabin. Liszt's harmonic, scalic and melodic experiments are magnificently integrated in this work, while the piano writing has a sulphuric fitfulness which deservedly ranks the piece with its more famous predecessor."

#481050 - 03/06/06 11:13 AM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 25,558
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BDB  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 25,558
Oakland
Quote
All you gotta do is say, "Liszt is the guy who turned the piano sideways," and I'll vote for him.
That was Dussek.


Semipro Tech
#481051 - 03/06/06 03:25 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 202
Stormcrow Offline
Full Member
Stormcrow  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 202
I read that one of Liszt's students stated that he could only stretch about a tenth.


No longer playing
#481052 - 03/06/06 04:06 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,230
Antonius Hamus Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Antonius Hamus  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,230
Speaking of composers, which Liszt influenced as a composer... Liszt was a crucial influence on Wagner (btw, Wagner wrote a long praise about Liszt's Dante Symphony), a major influence on Richard Strauss, and a significant influence on Bartok (Totentanz should be mentioned here . . . inventive and influential instrumentation, and a wonderful piece), and Busoni (and whom else? Shönberg? Scriabin?)...

#481053 - 03/06/06 08:16 PM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Derulux  Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Philadelphia
Quote
Originally posted by BDB:
Quote
All you gotta do is say, "Liszt is the guy who turned the piano sideways," and I'll vote for him.
That was Dussek.
Then I suppose I can't vote for him....


Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.
#481054 - 03/07/06 05:49 AM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,230
Antonius Hamus Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Antonius Hamus  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,230
According to Louis Spohr (according to Wikipedia)... But wasn't Liszt the guy who made it popular (and had he even heard about Dussek?)?

#481055 - 03/07/06 06:00 AM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Derulux  Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Philadelphia
I thought so, too... confused


Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.
#481056 - 03/07/06 07:49 AM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 631
jpw101 Offline
500 Post Club Member
jpw101  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 631
UK
In Alan Walker's biography, there is this footnote:
Quote

Tomasek, in his autobiography, claimed that Dussek had already positioned his piano in this way, the better to show off his beautiful profile. Dussek did not do this consistently, however, and in any case his career had no lasting impact on the history of piano playing. Liszt appears to have been unaware of Dussek's tentative reforms when he came to the conclusion that one must not only play the piano but "play the building," and to that end he experimented with the placement of the instrument until he got it right.


#481057 - 03/07/06 09:07 AM Re: Rachmaninoff vs. Chopin vs. Liszt?  
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,230
Antonius Hamus Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Antonius Hamus  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,230
Ah, thanks jpw, I had forgotten that...

Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World)
our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, Digital Piano Dolly, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping* on Jansen Artist Piano Benches, Cocoweb Piano Lamps, Hidrau Hydraulic Piano Benches
(*free shipping within contiguous U.S. only)
(ad)
Pearl River & Ritmuller
Ritmuller Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq 6 Out now
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


New Topics - Multiple Forums
Lessons never seem structured to me.
by rich2k4. 12/14/17 02:49 PM
Recital crowd pleasers
by The Monkeys. 12/14/17 01:45 PM
Speaking of Accompanying...
by WhoDwaldi. 12/14/17 12:53 PM
Upright agraffes...
by Adypiano. 12/14/17 04:54 AM
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics183,272
Posts2,679,272
Members89,267
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Click Here to
Explore The Rest of Piano World!!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0