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Schubert's Impromptu, opus 90 n°3 #480433
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Hi !

I have recently recorded this video :

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Re: Schubert's Impromptu, opus 90 n°3 #480434
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And you're still in too much of a hurry.


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Re: Schubert's Impromptu, opus 90 n°3 #480435
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While this piece is certainly open to varying interpretations as far as tempo is concerned, I tend to agree with keyboardklutz that this is played much too fast. If not played too fast, it sounds as though it's played too fast; it sounds rushed. There seems to be no attention to phrasing, the subtle relaxing at the end of the phrase that lets the long cantilena "breathe" the way a singer would make it breathe. The dynamics also seem to be very limited, from mp to mf. It tends to have no colour; it sounds very monochromatic.

From a technical standpoint, I don't hear all the inner notes of the "murmuring" accompaniment. That accompaniment, which has always to be subservient to the melody, should - indeed, must - with careful dynamics, help shape the melody. It's that shaping of the melody and the lack of phrasing that I find in greatest need in this recording.

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Re: Schubert's Impromptu, opus 90 n°3 #480436
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Thank you.

I'll listen your version.

Re: Schubert's Impromptu, opus 90 n°3 #480437
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Cher BruceD,

J'ai pu lire dans votre profil que vous fûtes jadis professeur de français. Pouvons-nous communiquer dans cette langue ?

Le cas échéant, je dois dire que j'ai enregistré à de nombreuses reprises ce morceau, pour parvenir à un "jet" à peu près "acceptable". Ma patience s'était presque épuisée... D'où sans doute cette extrême platitude ?

Je vous remercie

Re: Schubert's Impromptu, opus 90 n°3 #480438
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babaz :

(English translation below for non-French readers)

La grande difficulté pour ceux d'entre nous qui ne sont pas professionels et qui n'ont pas á notre disposition une salle d'enregistrement avec le matériel nécessaire pour corriger les petites fautes et pour modifier les phrases mal tournues, c'est que nous devons enregistrer d'un seul "jet" nos tentatives. J'ai eu la même difficulté que vous, n'ayant pas pu être totalement satisfait de mes efforts: chaque tentative avait quelques fausses notes, quelque chose qui me déplaisait. Recommencer à zéro chaque fois était décidément bien décourageant, et je ne sais pas combien de fois j'ai enregistré les différents morceaux que j'ai fini par présenter à Piano World, y compris cet Impromptu de Schubert.

Mais, en ce qui concerne votre enregistrment ce ne sont pas sur les petits détails que je souhaite que vous tourniez votre attention, mais plutôt sur votre interprétation globale du morceau.

Pour moi, ce morceau est une chanson, qu'elle soit chantée par la voix ou par un instrument à cordes; il doit être chanté, ce qui veut dire pour moi que les phrases musicales doivent monter, descendre, respirer et prendre haleine, quelque soit le tempo de l'ensemble. Voilà ce que je n’ai pas entendu dans votre enregistrement. Je crois, en partie, du moins, que vous pressez un peu trop le tempo.

La plus grande difficulté dans l’interprétation de ce beau morceau est d’établir un bel équilibre à trois niveaux différents entre 1) la mélodie 2) les notes de base et 3) l’accompagnement en sextolets - ce dernier doit aider à mettre en relief - par sa constante murmure délicate - la mélodie, sans la dominer mais sans disparaître, non plus.

Ceci dit, n’oubliez pas que je ne suis qu’un amateur de musique de piano - aucune formation professionnelle; cette critique n’est, en effet, que mes opinions et impressions peronnelles. Il n’est pas nécessaire que vous soyez d’accord avec ce que je dis.

(Translation for non-French readers) The great difficulty for those of us who are not professional musicians and who don’t have a recording studio available where we can correct minor errors is that we are obliged to record our efforts in a single take. I had the same difficulty as you, not ever being totally satisfied with each try; each one had some wrong notes or something that didn’t satisfy me. I don’t know how many times I re-recorded each piece I put on Piano World, including this Schubert Impromptu.

But it’s not in the details that I was addressing my comments on your performance but rather on the overall view of the work.

For me, this piece is a song, whether it be sung by the voice or by a stringed instrument; it must “sing” which means, for me, that the phrases have to rise, fall, and breathe, whatever the overall tempo. This is what I did not hear in your recording.

The greatest interpretive difficulty of this piece is that one has to establish three levels: 1) the melody, 2) the bass notes that give the foundation and 3) the mumuring accompanying figure which must support and highlight the melody without every dominating it our without losing detail.

Having said all this, please remember that I, too, am just an amateur music-lover - no professional training; these observations are nothing more than my personal observations and opinions; you don’t necessarily have to agree with them.

Regards,


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Re: Schubert's Impromptu, opus 90 n°3 #480439
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Merci pour votre réponse, et pour votre patience.

Que pensez-vous de la version de Brendel ? Elle semble être relativement dépourvue de "rubato", contrairement à la vôtre ?!? Pour lui, il semble s'agir d'une véritable extase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkX4MyDeIqI&feature=related

Je vous remercie


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