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#478817 - 04/19/08 04:29 PM Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I'd would just leave and never show my face again after this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG931XPV5VU&feature=related


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#478818 - 04/19/08 04:49 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I had one particular page turn where I wanted the turner to turn really quietly (as piano was tacet while the singer sang pianissimo) so I'd written QUIET on the score, and went over it with her in advance. For some reason she decided not to turn that page, so I had to grab it and flip the page over instead...


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#478819 - 04/19/08 06:24 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I've had that happen to me once. It's really scary playing in front of a group along with a trio, and have the wrong page turned in front of you. The page turner in this case was my own piano teacher!

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#478820 - 04/19/08 07:07 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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#478821 - 04/19/08 07:32 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I realize that page turners should be able to read music as fast as the pianist, or at least work out a set of gestures with the pianist beforehand to avoid miscues that we observed on this video. Learned this during CC2's party where I turned pages for one pianist...

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#478822 - 04/19/08 08:46 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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A mistake yes, but I don't know if I'd come down that hard on him. We're all human... I'll say this, Berezovsky did a fantastic job of just keeping going and turning the page back on his own while he kept the RH going. That's the best way to handle it - just keep going and don't sweat it.


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#478823 - 04/19/08 08:47 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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My son was playing a duo piano piece once at a recital and I was his page turner. I turned two page instead of one. frown

He has forgiven me ..... I think.

#478824 - 04/19/08 10:21 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I agree with 8ude: the page turner made a mistake. What's the big deal?

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#478825 - 04/19/08 10:30 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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He has forgiven me ..... I think.
If he never asked you to turn pages for him after that, you have your answer...I think. :p

#478826 - 04/19/08 11:11 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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The big deal is that it's Berezovsky...lol, ok ok so its not really a big deal, but what gets me is the look that he gives the guy after he turns the page.


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#478827 - 04/20/08 01:42 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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If you guys want a laugh at a loser... you got to listen to this recording..

Messiah Organist on Crack...

BLOODY HILARIOUS!!!!!

http://www.btinternet.com/~tim.johnson77/rambler/Messiahorganistoncrack.mp3

#478828 - 04/20/08 03:18 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I wouldn't laugh at any loser. I don't think there are losers in this world, certainly not for the wrong chord or the wrong timing of turning a page.

Relax, like you've never done anything stupid!

But the recording was actually very funny! The applause got there in delay of a few secs, which showed the immense, staggering shock the audience went through! OMG! It was awful!

#478829 - 04/20/08 06:01 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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Considering this was a professional accompanist who was playing the organ for a wedding...

he/she IS a loser...

I mean it's a 4 - 1 plagal cadence... 2 bloody chords... How could you screw that up.

#478830 - 04/20/08 08:36 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I don't know what to say about the organist.

I had the page turn thing happen to me once. Unfortunately, I didn't notice it immediately, because the music was the same at the top of each of the successive pages. I stayed with the choir for around 4 bars, then they went one direction and I went another. There was a certain amount of scrambling at that point. It wasn't pretty.

#478831 - 04/20/08 08:44 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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Originally posted by Perfect Pitch:
Considering this was a professional accompanist who was playing the organ for a wedding...

he/she IS a loser...

I mean it's a 4 - 1 plagal cadence... 2 bloody chords... How could you screw that up.
You make way too many assumptions.

It is actually rather easy to do, if you are playing an unfamiliar organ that has one of those wretched transposing devices, and if it is installed as a thumb piston rather than a harder-to-reach knob. I have a feeling I know the exact model - it is a pretty bad design flaw for unsuspecting organists (who often have to play unfamiliar instruments without much prior preparation).

My guess is that he went to change his registration with a thumb piston, and hit the transposer instead.

It is also possible that someone else hit the button for him.

It is also possible the organist was not a professional, although that shouldn't be an issue. People make mistakes.

How do you know it was a wedding? Large choirs at weddings are not typical.

It is also possible that he is a she.

It is also possible that the recording is a fake.

The only thing we can be relatively sure of, is that this person is not a "loser".

#478832 - 04/20/08 08:48 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I am trying to be as diplomatic as I can in asking this. Are there unspoken conventions among musicians to be followed when a colleague has a mishap or makes a gaff, especially a public one? Musician etiquette, so to say?

#478833 - 04/20/08 08:58 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I've done a fair bit of page turning and had this happen to me once or twice. It usually relates to something like a repeat that wasn't discussed in advance. Sometimes, though, nothing is discussed in advance, or it is given a cursory review. The problem can be the fault of the performer, and not the page turner. I've also seen scores so thoroughly marked up by the performer that you can't follow the notes easily.

Page turning is a bit of music and a bit of choreography. It works best when it is rehearsed before the performance. A professional pianist should insist on such a rehearsal before any public concert.

#478834 - 04/20/08 09:07 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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You make way too many assumptions.

It is actually rather easy to do, if you are playing an unfamiliar organ that has one of those wretched transposing devices, and if it is installed as a thumb piston rather than a harder-to-reach knob. I have a feeling I know the exact model - it is a pretty bad design flaw for unsuspecting organists (who often have to play unfamiliar instruments without much prior preparation).

My guess is that he went to change his registration with a thumb piston, and hit the transposer instead.


The only thing we can be relatively sure of, is that this person is not a "loser".
exactly... i have more than once hit this one button while playing that 'turns on the horns'.... shudder


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#478835 - 04/20/08 11:04 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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#478836 - 04/20/08 11:25 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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I feel worse for this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW6wJ8LaOfE
HE can thank Clara Schumann for that! Yikes, unfortunately in this field every little mistake is magnified into a colossal failure and that's a shame. Nerves can be the pianist's worst enemy. Sometimes I think the best way to practice to overcome nerves is to play absolutely naked in front of a group of nuns that are throwing ping-pong balls at you the whole time.

Or so I've been told, cough. cool

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Oh boy! I have actually done this in exams. I was SO ready and SO well prepared and I killed the Brahms intermezzo op 117 No.2 (I think... In A major). I stoped. Started again, stoped, tried third time jumped to bar 7 from 5 and kept to it. Thankfully it was the last piece and everything else was very very well performed, which saved my bud!

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Ok!

I watched a few more clips in youtube. All like "bst f*ck up!" or "second best *u** up", etc... Ridiculous! I mean like pianists are not made like the rest of the humans. That they are without error.

Bloody industry and bloody CDs and recordings have done this!

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Ridiculous!

#478839 - 04/21/08 09:31 PM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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Originally posted by Perfect Pitch:
If you guys want a laugh at a loser... you got to listen to this recording..

Messiah Organist on Crack...

BLOODY HILARIOUS!!!!!

http://www.btinternet.com/~tim.johnson77/rambler/Messiahorganistoncrack.mp3
LMAO, I almost threw up I laughed so hard!!


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#478840 - 04/22/08 01:34 AM Re: Wow I feel bad for this guy!!!  
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Originally posted by Perfect Pitch:
If you guys want a laugh at a loser... you got to listen to this recording..

Messiah Organist on Crack...

BLOODY HILARIOUS!!!!!

http://www.btinternet.com/~tim.johnson77/rambler/Messiahorganistoncrack.mp3
Still laughing! Whenever I need to cheer myself up I'm going to get it on 'favorites' and listen. smile


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"Bloody industry and bloody CDs and recordings have done this!"

Fully agree.
It is as if humanity had been surgically detached from music making.


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This is one of those tiny mistakes that people only care about on internet forums. It happens all the time in the real world, both to professionals and amateurs, and nobody really cares or notices that much.


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he/she IS a loser...
...and you're a bit of an idiot. Hope it never happens to you.

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When I was about 15, I was playing for my older brother's quartet in church. It was a difficult song for me, so I asked my younger brother to turn pages for me. I told him I'd nod when it was time. We had rehearsed just before the service and I thought we were good to go. About a third of the way through the song, my brother turned the page and it was the wrong page. I freaked out and started scream whispering at him that it was the wrong page. Of course he didn't have anything to do with it. I had mixed them up when I put them together after the last practice. I didn't catch back up to the quartet until about two pages later. To their credit, they just kept singing.
I don't think either brother has forgiven me.


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[qb] I feel worse for this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW6wJ8LaOfE
HE can thank Clara Schumann for that!
Considering the piece is by Chopin - how is it clara schumanns fault???

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[qb] I feel worse for this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW6wJ8LaOfE
HE can thank Clara Schumann for that!
Considering the piece is by Chopin - how is it clara schumanns fault??? [/b]
... because Clara Schumann was one of the very first pianists - and the first credited for doing so - to perform solo pieces from memory in public recitals. Before her time, performers played from the score.

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