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Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477088
07/05/03 03:20 PM
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It's Niels Bohr.
Thank you! I usually catch my own typos, but I appreciate when you do if I don't. You haven't lived in shame until you've seen your own typo in red letters ten feet high. (I have.)

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Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477089
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I just love it.

Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477090
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I dont think that pianos are arrogant or that they exclude people that dont know about music. I think that anyone can enjoy some good music. True, you cant follow along as well as people who do, but isn't music mostly about enjoyment?


"If music be the food of love, play on." -William Shakespeare
Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477091
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Folks, we're forgetting the point here...if we can catch that piano before it hits the water after he throws it away.... :p


"I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said, `I drank what?'"

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Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477092
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I think he has a point. What we usually think of as classical music is going nowhere these days. There are a lot of people who think that jazz is the classical music of the 20th century, and the way it is presented is a lot closer to the way Bach would have presented his music than the way we usually get it these days.


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Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477093
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If the piano is the symbol of a bourgeois society, it's because society has changed, not because pianos are any less affordable than they were or that Classical music is elitest.

Pianos have always been expensive, but ninety years ago the automobile was a luxury, radio was in its infancy, and television was unheard of. There was a piano in nearly every home and some 300 American piano manufacturers were cranking out about 370,000 pianos a year. A piano was something of a neccesity since recorded music was in its infancy, so if you wanted to hear a new piece of music, you had to play it yourself. People entertained themselves in the evening by playing music together or listeneing to a friend play music while the others played cards. Classical music was not always on the in-home program, there were loads of popular songs, most of which are forgotten today. Musical education, now thought of as an extracurricular, was part of the standard curriculum.

These days, the entire Classical repertoire is at the fingertips of anyone with a computer modem. n 1906, John Philip Sousa predicted that "canned" music would all but destroy amateur music making, and he was correct.

Pianos have been crowded out by other priorities in life. To blame Classical music for this is to ignore economic and social realities that have nothing to do with elitism.


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Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477094
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There is still music written in the classical style right now, even though there probably wont be another Mozart or Beethoven. Classical has stood the test of time for more than 300 years, so why would it die now? People will always be playing musical instruments, and classical music is used for instruction, and concerts, so it probably will not die.


"If music be the food of love, play on." -William Shakespeare
Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477095
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" Used as this society uses it, the piano is an arrogant instrument which excludes all those that don't know about music " Francois-Rene Duchable

He is right in the sense because the society is so educated and busy and nobody really understand classical music. If he said this in the 18th century, he will surely be said as an unrepectable person in the world. But i disagree part of him as a pianist. He failed to love music, and hoped all the person in the world will listen to his performance. He have no respect in the past musician, as they spent all their life just on music alone.
So the very best solution is to let all the people in the world to respect classical music and to appreciate with enjoyment

Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477096
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Originally posted by Ariel:
He will mark his second concert by burning his recital suit

Before or after playing?
I'm thinking that while he is playing might make the most "statement". mad


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Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477097
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Originally posted by StanSteel:
This reminds me of this story.
In the 1950's at a highschool in Lausanne, Switzerland (where I am from), a group of students bought a piano and dropped it from a very high bridge just to hear what sound a piano would make when crashing on the concrete 150 feet below.

I've always wanted to find a newspaper article relating the story. I guess during my next stay there, I will research the local library to find out. What sound do you think it makes? Have you ever witnessed a similar event?
Actually, Yes! I have witnessed a similar event, on a much smaller scale. Years ago a friend of mine had just been given (for free!) a WW-II vintage upright piano, said piano having a custom mirror surface in the upper portion of the front of the piano. Anyway, I helped him load it into the back of a borrowed pickup truck. He did not tie down the piano at all! Well, he wasn't more than one block away from the place where we loaded it when he turned a corner (slowly), and the piano did a graceful free-fall off the side, turned totally upside-down, and made a dramatic SMASH on the pavement. Not only did it make the the sound you'd expect (a horrible BANG of all notes at the same time), but there was also the spectacular sound and image of shattered mirrored glass and wood flying everywhere. It was quite a show --- which I refrained from saying in front of my friend, after looking at the total devastation reflected in his face.

-- Chris

Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477098
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My brothers were moving an old upright in Denver when almost the exact same thing happened. While making a left turn in an intersection it just tumbled over the side and smashed into a jillion pieces right in the middle of the intersection.

They kept on going.


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There is nothing more gruesome than seeing a piano destroyed, it aches deep down inside. frown

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Well, unless its thrown off a moutain with a lot of pizzaz, then its just funny!


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Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477101
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They kept on going.
Litterbugs.


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Re: piano = symbol of bourgeois society... #477102
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There is nothing more gruesome than seeing a piano destroyed, it aches deep down inside. frown
Sure there is (or was) There was Liberace! (Aches even deeper down inside, to the bone.)

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Francois Rene Duchable live on internet

http://www.radioclassique.fr/site/programme_01.cfm?h=20%3A40%3A00&emission=LES%20SOIREES%201%E8re%20partie

click on Radio Classique en direct


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