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#470430 - 12/26/07 09:41 PM RCM ARCT selections
classik51 Offline
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Hello! I hope everyone had a very good Christmas!

It seems like I need everyone's help for the second time. Recently I realized that all the pieces I've been studying since last summer are either from Romantic or Impressionistic era. I seem to have developed an unhealthy pickiness in my musical taste... I tried to broaden my repertoire by trying Bach's Italian Concerto and various classical sonatas, but I just can't find any that really fascinates me. Baroque and twentieth-century music has never been my favourite, but I've never been "unable" to play them before. I'm not planning to take the exam any soon if at all (my first and last exam had been Gr10 practical in which I almost had a nervous breakdown) so I gues it doesn't really matter if I decide to play only Romantic pieces, but I can't stop thinking that that's a crime towards Beethoven (my hero!) and Bach and all the other genius composers.

So do you guys know any great ARCT pieces that I could try? Amazing Beethoven sonatas or any Baroque pieces or playable etudes (that is, not Transcendental Etudes \:\) )? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks!

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#470431 - 12/26/07 10:48 PM Re: RCM ARCT selections
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classik51 :

First: I am assuming since you are talking about ARCT pieces that you live in Canada.

Second : A relatively small number of us who regularly contribute to this forum live in Canada and even know what ARCT is; so, the likelihood that you'll get swamped with responses is limited.

Third : I am not sure what you are asking. Do you want to know what the ARCT pieces are for lists A and B and for the Etudes? Or, do you have the Syllabus and do you just want recommendations from the rest of us. If it's the latter, there's no guaranteeing that what I like you will like; peoples' tastes in music, as in everything else, vary widely.

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#470432 - 12/27/07 10:44 AM Re: RCM ARCT selections
classik51 Offline
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Oh, that's too bad... Yes, I wanted recommendations. Oh well I'll just listen to all the pieces in the whole list. Thanks for informing me anyway \:\) .

#470433 - 12/27/07 10:54 AM Re: RCM ARCT selections
sandman Offline
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im pretty sure you can substitute any suitable piece you want provided it is of the appropriet difficulty and you teach signs off on the change.

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#470434 - 12/27/07 03:04 PM Re: RCM ARCT selections
pianist.ame Offline
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do you have a teacher? If you do you should approach him/her as your teacher will know what you are capable of learning.
Mastering:Chopin Etudes op.10 nos.8&12 and op.25 no.1, Chopin Scherzo no.4 in E major op.54, Mozart Sonata in B flat major K.333& Khachaturian Toccata

#470435 - 12/28/07 12:14 PM Re: RCM ARCT selections
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It's been a while since I did my ARCT (ok a long, long while), but I didn't completely conform to the usual selections when choosing my ARCT repertoire.
I don't think there's anything you can do about the List A piece - it pretty much has to be Bach, usually a P&F, not sure if there;s anything else on the list these days. For my List B piece I chose a Schubert Sonata (the A+ one that BruceD uploaded his playing a few months back). When I did my ARCT you could really break the mold and play the Ravel Sonatine for List B, but I have hunch they've changed that. I would expect that 99% of the ARCT candidates play either a Mozart or Beethoven Sonata, so while being outside that is a little radical, if you play something else well you will stand out. On the other hand if you don't pull if off they will likely be harder on you. Doesn't sound like you have any issues with the Romantic and Impressionist periods. For the modern work I chose a Messiaen prelude - a natural extension of your impressionist affinity ...

There's a long list of options for the ARCT - take a look off the beaten track.

#470436 - 12/28/07 02:31 PM Re: RCM ARCT selections
kcoul058 Offline
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When I did mine, I did one of the deepest, most expressive Bach P&F's and Beethoven Sonatas, the D# minor Book I for Bach (Bb minor Book 1, and G# minor Book 2 are other great works I have played since), and Tempest Sonata for Beethoven (Appassionata and a few others I find just as expressive).

I agree with you, in that I generally find less in these periods that strikes me than in Romantic, Impressionist/etc, and 20th Century, but I still find them! You can't budge much on the Bach, but for Classical, there are some nice sonatas on the list as well if I am not mistaken, check out some of Clementi's minor sonatas (especially Didone Abandonata), and the Dussek F# minor 2 movement sonata, these are some real hidden gems IMHO! Not totally sure if they are on the list though, but I think at least the Clementi should be.

If you like that first Bach though, watch out, at the time, the fugue was the hardest thing I had ever memorized, it took me so long!

#470437 - 12/28/07 02:35 PM Re: RCM ARCT selections
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PS - At the time I was also fairly picky about 20th Century rep, perhaps even more so! I though *everything* sounded bad from this period, well almost, now after plenty of surveyed study, I realize there is more amazing music from this period than any other period, it is just all buried away under the surface level of pieces that demonstrate all these new techniques (often in an experimental, bad way), and that we don't know how to separate experimental works deserving merit from artistically successful works (that usually come later, ie High Renaissance, High Baroque, High Classical, etc (Romantic might have been a good exception to this general trend).

But there are works that fall in both categories, and as such are more accessible to us - the one I chose was the Prokofiev 3rd Sonata, both novel and highly enjoyable IMHO.

Finally, I don't recommend the Etude I chose, the Chopin op.10 no.9, it was devastating on my LH wrist, so unless you have big hands, and a nimble LH, don't try this one!

I would much sooner recommend a Scriabin etude, they are so colourful! Too many good choices, take a look! Etudes should be the easiest category to pick from, you have Etudes from almost every period.

#470438 - 01/01/08 08:23 PM Re: RCM ARCT selections
classik51 Offline
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Registered: 12/24/07
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Loc: Canada
Yes, I have an absolutely wonderful teacher, but his recommendations somehow turn out to be the most difficult ones;; I need to very delicately remind him that not everyone's as amazing as him. ;\)

Hmm, too bad I have listened to every single one of Bach's P&F's and didn't really like any one of them. Perhaps my opinion will change when I listen to them again, that happens often.

I know someone who played that Schubert sonata (haven't actually heard him play it though). I should check it out... I never really did care whether or not tons of others play the same piece as long as I like it. However, it would be nice to stand out.

I listened to this one etude by Scriabin (op 8 no.12) and it was absolutely phenomenal, but I'm not sure if I could pull off all the jumps. I am usually all about hard work but I recently played a piece that had too many wild leaps I just coulnd't control it.

I wish I could just play EVERYTHING \:\) .

#470439 - 01/03/08 01:36 AM Re: RCM ARCT selections
Candywoman Offline
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Try Granados's The Maiden and the Nightengale, and
Ginastera's Malambo.

As for baroque, the Italian Concerto is amazing. But I also like the a minor prelude and fugue.

For classical, try the E-flat minor sonata by Pinto, which is not in the syllabus.

#470440 - 01/05/08 05:10 PM Re: RCM ARCT selections
blacvi Offline
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Registered: 11/11/07
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For the Bach, you can also choose from a bunch of the English suites, Partitas, and toccatas. Also check out the Op.2 no.3, Op.53, Op.57, Op.111 sonatas by Beethoven. I personally think the List E piece is the hardest to choose. Try looking at Bartok, Ginasteras, Prokofiev. Although not well known, take a look at "In Memorium to Victims of Chernobyl" by Larysa Kuzmenko. If played properly, the piece is absolutely breathtaking.

Oh, and beware of choosing pieces like the Moonlight sonata. They're highly overplayed, and if you're gonna play them, you better be able to pull it off really, really well.

#470441 - 01/07/08 11:39 AM Re: RCM ARCT selections
pianist.ame Offline
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Loc: Singapore
talking about overplayed the sinfonia from Partita no.2 is commonly played especially in competitions so it's always better to stay clear of that one unless your teacher asks you to learn it for a reason like mine did.
Mastering:Chopin Etudes op.10 nos.8&12 and op.25 no.1, Chopin Scherzo no.4 in E major op.54, Mozart Sonata in B flat major K.333& Khachaturian Toccata


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