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Re: William Bolcom #469582
02/24/09 01:27 AM
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Truly, the whole CD they made together, "Serious Fun!" will continue to delight listeners however!

To return to the topic, did anyone know he studied composition with Messiaen?
I must have missed 'Serious Fun!', something I must seek out.

I was aware that Bolcom studied with Messiaen, though he seems to have escaped Messiaen's intense harmonic charisma. Unlike some other students (or 'groupies') of Messiaen I've heard, Bolcom has always had a very individual style. What did he really learn from Messiaen, probably only a question Bolcom can answer.

Otherwise, Messiaen's unique writing for the organ has ricocheted a bit too uncomfortably with those of his students who concentrated on composing for that instrument.


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Re: William Bolcom #469583
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Originally posted by Goldberg:
Truly, the whole CD they made together, "Serious Fun!" will continue to delight listeners however!

To return to the topic, did anyone know he studied composition with Messiaen?
I must have missed 'Serious Fun!', something I must seek out.

[...]
The CD was produced independently on - literally - a no name label; i.e., there is no label name on the CD, on the "spine" nor in the booklet. It was recorded in recital 15 and 16 September, 2002 at the Windmere Art Museum, Philadelphia, using an Estonia 190 provided by Cunningham Piano Co., Philadelphia. In very small print : "Manufactured in the USA by Klarity Multimedia Inc., 1-888-387-8273, www.klarity.com

I bought my two copies directly from Jody Appelbaum; perhaps Klarity can help you find a copy.

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Re: William Bolcom #469584
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'Lime Jello Marshmallow Cottage Cheese Surprise' was mentioned earlier. A party piece if there ever was one. Didn't Joan and William do that as an encore at many of their concerts? They probably always brought the house down.
Yes, Joan can really ham it up on that one. What a peach! laugh


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Re: William Bolcom #469585
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  • whippen boy: maybe I'll post a recording.
  • Debussy20: Please do!
  • whippen boy: OK! (link to Graceful Ghost Rag )

Yes, it had mistakes but was it bad enough to ignore entirely? confused [Linked Image] laugh


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Re: William Bolcom #469586
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I, for one, quite liked your recording, whippen boy! You've really nailed the style, especially in being expressive without sentimentality.

Maybe if I get brave enough, I'll post some Bolcom recordings of my own. It seems like I can't avoid a few wrong notes in live settings, though, usually because the moment gets the better of me, but maybe this forum needs more Bolcom...

Re: William Bolcom #469587
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I, for one, quite liked your recording, whippen boy! You've really nailed the style, especially in being expressive without sentimentality.

Maybe if I get brave enough, I'll post some Bolcom recordings of my own. It seems like I can't avoid a few wrong notes in live settings, though, usually because the moment gets the better of me, but maybe this forum needs more Bolcom...
Thanks for the nice reply. Yes, these pieces are quite a bit harder than most people realize. That trio section always gets me tangled up. :rolleyes:

I would love to hear more Bolcom. thumb

And I'd be very interested in hearing you play it. smile


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Re: William Bolcom #469588
02/24/09 04:36 PM
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I've played the Garden of Eden suite and am doing the violin/piano version of Graceful Ghost in a recital tonight.

It's great stuff!


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Re: William Bolcom #469589
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Well, if I do post any it won't be for a while since I'll be waiting to get recordings after my senior recital next week, but unless they're really terrible I'll at least hook you up, whippen boy.

Kreisler, what sort of reception do you get when you play The Garden of Eden? I figured that, especially after The Serpent's Kiss, everyone would be thrilled, but the last few times I've played for a few people, I get uncomfortable silences and I don't think it's because my playing is that bad! By the way, since it comes last on my program, I have opted to leave out Through Eden's Gates. Perhaps not the most politically correct option, but with my fairly shallow small-town audience I figured it would be the best way to go. Originally, I wanted to mix-and-match rags from different groups to create a sort of "ragtime sonata" (sort of like Albright's), but decided against it because I believe it's essential to play The Eternal Feminine before Serpent's Kiss (which was a keeper for the third movement), and from there it was only logical to include Old Adam!

Edit: For those who might be curious, I had considered playing the sonata like this: California Porcupine Rag, Lost Lady Rag, and The Poltergeist (there were a few other potential configurations, of course).

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