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#464377 - 11/25/07 08:36 PM Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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I haven't worked on a contemporary piece in a while, and so I'm considering Muczynski's Toccata, or possibly somehting by Prokofiev. There's also that Toccata by Ravel in his Tombeau de Couperin suite. I do love Bartok, too. Does anyone have any suggestions along these lines?


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#464378 - 11/25/07 08:49 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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If you like Shostakovich, I recommend his Prelude and Fugue #16 in b-flat minor, Op. 87. I would love to study these, but the rhythmic patterns in the Fugue are too complicated for me.

Or the Prelude and Fugue #10 in c-sharp minor, Op. 87

Or the Prelude and Fugue #12 in G-sharp Major, Op. 87

Or the Prelude and Fugue #24 in d minor, Op. 87.

It gave me enormous satisfaction to learn this year the Prelude and Fugue #18 in f minor, Op. 87.

Really, I think almost all of Shostakovich's Op. 87 pieces are worth exploring if you like his music and have the chops....


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#464379 - 11/25/07 08:51 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Betelgeuse, baby!
I have some thoughts on this, but do you have any particular requirements for a piece, i.e., length, tempo, character?


Die Krebs gehn zurücke,
Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke,
Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

Die Predigt hat g'fallen.
Sie bleiben wie alle.
#464380 - 11/25/07 08:51 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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How about Shostakovich's Prelude Op. 34 No. 5? It's very light and toccata-like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLaHLuq_8aw


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#464381 - 11/25/07 08:56 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Since you like Toccatas, you might also explore Khachaturian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfo4-CnJZQQ


And there's also Shostakovich's great, great Sonata #2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-CFF0kuC4


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#464382 - 11/25/07 09:24 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Oh! I forgot about Shostakovich! I love his orchestral stuff, but I've never tried any of his piano works. That might be just the ticket!

Janus: I'm looking for something rhythmic, faster tempo, and a bit of atonality is OK (or polytonal), but nothing too jarring like Ginastera's preludes (can't stand listening to them as I play...I think I would have done them better if I wore earplugs).


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#464383 - 11/25/07 09:35 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Originally posted by pianojerome:
Since you like Toccatas, you might also explore Khachaturian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfo4-CnJZQQ


And there's also Shostakovich's great, great Sonata #2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-CFF0kuC4
The Khachaturian was OK, but maybe a bit too repeitive (I know, its a Toccata, so what do I expect wink ). But I really like the Shostakovich sonata! It is just like his piano trios and orchestral works.

Keep them coming!

Has anyone worked on the Muczynski at all? I'm curious to see how it compares to these others.


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#464384 - 11/25/07 09:50 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Betelgeuse, baby!
Ok then, here are some recommendations off the top of my head:

Bartok:
Two Romanian Dances Op. 8A (I prefer the first)
Dance Suite -- originally for orch., transcribed by Bartok himself, look especially at mvts. 2&3 (nice pair) and 5
Sonata -- outer movements
Out of Doors -- last movement
Mikrokosmos volume 6 -- Six Dances in Bulgarian Rhythm
Allegro Barbaro -- I know, obvious...

Prokofiev:
Sonata no. 2 -- last movement
Sonata no. 3 -- one movement, 7 mins., highly recommended
Sonata no. 4 -- last movement
Sonata no. 6 -- first or last movement
Sonata no. 7 -- last movement (overplayed but still very effective)
Suggestion Diabolique from Four Pieces Op. 4
Sarcasms Op. 17

Barber:
Sonata -- last movement

Ginastera (I know you have reservations but check them out anyway):
Argentinian Dances -- last movement
Malambo -- an effective "build-up" piece
Criola from 3 pieces Op. 6
Suite de danzas criolas -- last movement (thrilling and D major-ish)
Sonata no. 1 -- last movement (also thrilling A minor/major-ish)

Shostakovich:
Sonata No. 1 -- one movement, about 11 minutes long, angsty but thrilling

Hindemith:
Ludus Tonalis: Fugue in A or Fugue in G (both energetic) or Fugue in Bb (very funny, believe it or not!)
Sonata no. 3 -- second movement (quirky scherzo) or last movement (thrilling fugue)

Debussy:
Danse (very effective, but may not count since it dates from 1890)
Masques
Preludes book I: What the West Wind Saw, The Bells of Anacapri
Preludes book II: Alternating Thirds, Fireworks
L'Isle Joyeuse
Etudes: For Mister Czerny, For Eight Fingers, For Fourths, For Octaves, For Chords
Estampes: last movement (Gardens in the Rain)

Busoni:
Prelude and Etude in Arpeggios
Toccata


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Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

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#464385 - 11/25/07 09:55 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Wow, thanks, Janus. I've got my work cut out for me now listening to all these! The Busoni I'm curious about as I don't think I've ever heard him played. smile


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#464386 - 11/25/07 09:59 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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I don't know if you consider these to be contemporary pieces, but I'm working on Ravel's Jeux D'eau and Debussy's L'Isle Joyeuse and they are really great pieces to play, for both the performer and the audience.


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#464387 - 11/25/07 10:01 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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One of Messiaen's Vingt Regards pieces, No. 6 is a good one that isn't too bad. (I believe I reccomended this before)

Alkan's Concerto for Solo Piano is also a fairly simple piece that is also great.

Good luck and have fun =)


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#464388 - 11/25/07 10:05 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Betelgeuse, baby!
A few more:

Messiaen:
Isle of Fire I & II from Four Rhythmic Studies (both are quite Bartokian)
Les sons impalpables du reve and Un reflect dans le vent from Preludes

Ravel:
Boat on the Ocean and Alborada from Mirrors
Sonatina -- last movement
Rigaudon from Le Tombeau de Couperin

Copland:
Sonata -- middle movement (somewhat jazzy)

Gershwin:
First and third of the Three Preludes

Khachaturian:
Sonatina -- last movement
Toccata from Ten Children's Pieces (different from the other more famous Toccata)
Sabre Dance (originally for orch., transcribed by another hand for piano; orch. version is overplayed)

Stravinsky:
first ("Russian Dance") of the Three Movements from Petrushka

P.S.: I've been editing this and my other post as I think of more pieces from the composers I've listed...


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Die Karpfen viel fressen,
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#464389 - 11/25/07 11:26 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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[b] And there's also Shostakovich's great, great Sonata #2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-CFF0kuC4
I really like the Shostakovich sonata! It is just like his piano trios and orchestral works. [/b]
Shostakovich loved this sonata. He called it his "symphony for piano." wink


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#464390 - 11/26/07 12:27 AM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Betelgeuse, baby!
And just for fun:

P.D.Q. Bach (aka Peter Schickele):
The Short Tempered Clavier (Preludes and Fugues in all the major and minor keys, except for the really hard ones) -- absolutely hilarious!


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Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

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#464391 - 11/26/07 12:34 AM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Gershwin:
First and third of the Three Preludes
What's wrong with the second one? smile

Have a listen to the "George Gershwin's Songbook", too. Towards the end of his life he wrote down some improvisations on the choruses. William Bolcom's made a wonderful recording.


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#464392 - 11/26/07 12:41 AM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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[b] Gershwin:
First and third of the Three Preludes
What's wrong with the second one? smile
[/b]
Nothing at all. It's just that I didn't think it fell in the fast, rhythmic category that Morodiene had in mind.


Die Krebs gehn zurücke,
Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke,
Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

Die Predigt hat g'fallen.
Sie bleiben wie alle.
#464393 - 11/26/07 01:16 AM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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I like Robert Muczynski, but not his Toccata. I like his Six Preludes, Masks, Seven, and Desperate Measures (Paganini Variations).

I also like the music of Lowell Liebermann: Gargoyles, Three Impromptus, Four Apparitions, and most of the pieces from Album for the Young.

Other modern composers to consider: Francis Poulenc (Improvisations, Three Pieces), William Bolcolm (rags, etudes, or bagatelles), and Heitor Villa-Lobos (Bachianas Brasileiras).


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#464394 - 11/26/07 02:55 AM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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I've just played prokofiev's suggestion diabolique in performance and it's fun to play and learn, as well as a crowd pleaser. I would recommend it.

#464395 - 11/26/07 05:52 AM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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I do love Bartok, too.
I am a big Bartók fan. I can ABSOLUTELY second the recommendation for the last movement of his Out of doors suite, The Chase. It's technically quite hard, but manageble. Also, the first movement, 'With Drums and pipes' is a great rythmic piece, easy yet impressive. By the way, the fourth movement 'The Night's Music' is absolutely fantastic, but probably not what you are looking for now. You can listen to first minutes of these pieces on Amazon, they are not on Youtube yet (wait till I have proper equipment thumb ).

The outer movements of his Sonata are great.
The first is quite difficult and has quite experimental tonality and extreme dissonances, maybe not your cup of tea. The last is more folksy, but is technically out of my reach.

I recommend, go for the Out of doors suite! I can email you the score, so you can see whether you like it.


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#464396 - 11/26/07 10:20 AM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Robert:
That would be great, as our local music store went out of business, so now I have to order things online or special order through other stores. I'll PM you my email.


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Betelgeuse, baby!
I too have pdf's of some of the works I listed, so just let me know if you need them Morodiene. You can also find a number of scores at the following:

http://vkgfx.com/scores/
http://www.pianopiano.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Category:Composers

Let us know what piece you choose. 20th/21st century repertoire is so rich and diverse that any musical taste can be satisfied (which may surprise some).


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Die Karpfen viel fressen,
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You might enjoy Pierre Sancan's Toccata or his toccata-like and very amusing Mouvement. There are videos of both on YouTube. I think Cazal's performance of the Mouvement is especially dazzling (and he was a student of Sancan's, I believe).

Toccata
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilMLu27hajI

Mouvement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHSg6j-oDdc

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#464399 - 11/26/07 08:42 PM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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I'd go for the Ginastera. Very good music.


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#464400 - 11/27/07 03:29 AM Re: Looking for a Contemporary/20th cent. piece  
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Prokofiev Tocatta op.11 is a brilliant piece! A rather difficult in the end...

Also Prokofiev sonatas are quite nice. While everyone goes for No.8 I totally love No.7! It has a slow, very haunting begining, it is a "tiny bit atonal", (not academically speaking of course, it is Prokofiev after all), but goes into a fast middle section which is very impressive. 2nd movenent is slow, to the classical style of Prokofiev and 3rd is a fast scherzo. smile

Ligeti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZTaiDHqs5s Etudes (No.13 in this recording). I find them a bit too technical (they are etudes after all), but... yeah.

Messiaen as it's been mentioned before "Vingt Regards" are all amazing!

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Nikolas:
Also Prokofiev sonatas are quite nice. While everyone goes for No.8 I totally love No.7! It has a slow, very haunting begining, it is a "tiny bit atonal", (not academically speaking of course, it is Prokofiev after all), but goes into a fast middle section which is very impressive. 2nd movenent is slow, to the classical style of Prokofiev and 3rd is a fast scherzo. smile

Have you perhaps got your numbers mixed up? I thought that No7 was a more popular concert/audition piece, and the description you give fits No 8 better. E.g. the beginning of No7 (allegro inquieto) is hardly slow... FWIW the 8th is also my favourite Prokofiev Sonata smile

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Debussy Preludes Book 2 - Brouillards
Shostakovich - Prelude and fugue no.1 op.87

hmm, Does Joplin count as 20th century? laugh

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Michael B (PoStTeNeBrasLuX) (Christ it took forever to copy your forum nick).

Yes I'm sorry. Mixed up! frown Don't have the scores here in London. Isn't it an amazing sonata? (the No 8)


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