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Re: Bosendorf with a kimball name??? #46146
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Thanks alot Glenn. As i said the guys tech is a RPT with the guild so i would assume that he would have told the guy if he thought it was not mostly bosendorfer. I am going to call his tech though to make sure it's been serviced recently and when i do i will ask him what he thinks of the piano. Thanks for that information. I find it hard to believe that this is purely kimball. The man selling it said that it was mostly bosendorfer so maybe the parts and such were bosendorfer and it was simply put together by kimball.

What would you see by looking under it that would tell you if it was kimball or not?

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Re: Bosendorf with a kimball name??? #46147
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The way it's finished off and the box-frame support structure.

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Re: Bosendorf with a kimball name??? #46148
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oh wow....ok thanks derick. That is different from other pianos i have seen. I'll have to take a look under it next time i go down there and see what it is. Thanks

Re: Bosendorf with a kimball name??? #46149
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Chickgrand's observation that they get no respect because of their uprights is spot on! But..like many makes there was a time that they DID make some decent pianos. I played a Viennese ed. Kimball in the late 80's and it was a fine piano, though as noted by PB some of the case parts were not made of the best materials. It had a warm full sound and a nice well-regulated action which surprised me. The same might be said of other makes. I know that Baldwin in later years was using plywood tops and plywood keybeds, the keybeds being a Delignit style of manufacture. I am negotiating on a Kimball concert-grand that comes highly recommended from an RPT of long acquaintance. This is a "golden-age" vintage though.
John

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Thanks..that makes me fell better that the viennese is edition is a more quality kimball. I was hoping me ears just weren't broken.

I think i'm going to go for it. Now I just have to sell the S&C i have now.

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I sent RPT Elizabeth Ward an e-mail with my question.In 1984 Elizabeth was asked by Kimball International Piano Company to service all pianos, both Kimball and Bösendorfer concert grands provided for the 1984 Louisiana World Exposition in New Orleans.

I thought she might have some useful information. This is what she said


Thanks for contacting the Piano Technicians Guild,
This piano was made by Kimball, based on designs from Bosendorfer executed
by the engineers at Kimball. The pianos used at the Olympics did not have
the soundboard decal with the 1984 Olympics on it. That was added to later
models. The Viennese edition Kimballs were the best pianos Kimball ever
made. I would recommend going to www.ptg.org and clicking on the find a
technician link to locate a local Registered Piano Technician to evaluate
the piano.
Elizabeth Ward, RPT

basically what seems to be the consensus here.

Re: Bosendorf with a kimball name??? #46152
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My teacher had a 6'7" Vienese edition Kimball. It was a nice piano but didn't project very well. Action seemed nicer than a typical Kimball. He had a tough time selling it when he needed to do so.

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I just got word from a well-placed Bosendorfer employee that Bosendorfer did in fact make a few 275 concert grands that WERE 100% Bosendorfer. The only difference was the Kimball name was placed on the piano - other than that it was pure Bosendorfer.

The Viennese editions are not the pianos I just spoke of.

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Re: Bosendorf with a kimball name??? #46154
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Thanks Derick. I think I've determined that the piano I'm looking at is simply a viennese edition. I looked up viennese kimballs and all of them had a crest above the kimball name. The crest seems to be a Kimball family crest with the bosendorfer bird eagle thing in the middle of it.

Thanks for all the help. If anybody has any opinions on kimball viennese edition pianos that would be helpful. Thanks again.

Re: Bosendorf with a kimball name??? #46155
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Liz had it right when she said the Viennese Editions (5'8 and 6'7) were the best pianos Kimball made (at least in recent history) and Kimball did take them seriously, but there is a LONG LONG way to go before they become Bosendorfers.

Sorry Rich, the plate and string scale was adapted from Bosendorfer model 200, but nothing actually came from Vienna and there was no other connection to Bosendorfer design and building techniques. (French Lick and Vienna are a long distance from each other, in many ways).

Yes there were some experiments with a Bosendorfer built Kimball concert grand and model 225, but those were one-off instruments and never went into production.

All this being said, the Viennese editions were, for a Kimball, rather nice. Putting on a new set of hammers and shanks made a very nice improvement.

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