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Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460202
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Am learning Liszt's “Benediction” and would much appreciate a translation of the following (by Lamartine), which appears at the beginning of this piece. Some additional comments follow the poetry.

“D ou me vient, o mon Dieu! cette paix qui m'inonde?
D ou me vient cette foi dont mon coeur surabonde?
A moi, qui tout a l'heure incertain, agite,
Et sur les flots du doute a tout vent ballotte,
Cherchais le bien, le vrai, dans les reves des sages,
Et la paix dans des coeurs retentissants d'orages.
A peine sur mon front quelques jours ont passé;
Et que, separe d'eux par un abime immense,
Un nouvel homme en moi renaitet recommence.”

The above appears at the beginning of “Benediction de Dieu dans la solitude”, part of Liszt's Harmonies Poetiques et religieuses (1853). The Henle Urtext comments that HP&R was named after a volume of poetry by Lamartine with the same name. Both the cycle as a whole as well as several of the individual pieces are prefaced with poems from Lamartine's work.

Liszt's “Benediction” is named after the poem of the same name by Lamartine, Book 1, # 5. The above is the first stanza, taken from Oeuvres poetiques, Guyard (ed), Paris, 1977.

If Benedict is reading this -- does your PW name have anything to do with the word “benediction”?


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Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460203
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Whence comes, O God, this peace which floods over me?
Whence comes this faith with which my heart overflows?
To me who, not long ago, uncertain, restless,
And tossed on waves of doubt by every wind,
Sought the good, the true, in the dreams of worldly sages
And peace in hearts resounding with tempests?
Scarcely have a few days brushed past my brow,
And it seems that a century and a world have passed away,
And that, separated from them by an immense abyss,
A new man is reborn and begins again in me.

Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460204
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Kinf od unrelated, but I just heard this piece recently. Where, oh where has it been all my life?

Best Liszt piece. Ever.

Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460205
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Originally posted by valarking:
Kinf od unrelated, but I just heard this piece recently. Where, oh where has it been all my life?

Best Liszt piece. Ever.
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Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460206
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If Benedict is reading this -- does your PW name have anything to do with the word “benediction”?
Benedict comes from "Benedictus"


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Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460207
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Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460208
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Deus ex Pianoforte, thanks so much for your truly beautiful translation!

Valarking, care to share the name of the tape or CD of this piece? I've never eart "Benediction." Just decided to read through it very slowly, because of its title, and now am hooked to learn it -- nothing impossible technically in the piece, but as a whole it will be difficult for me.

Interestingly, it's precisely 360 measures. Like a circle (considered the most perfect form), with each measure a degree.

Benedict, I'm confused: "Benediction" is a "blessing." "Benedictus" is ... ? And to further muddy things, there is a local high school called "Benedictine", which means what? These three words apparently mean different things??


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Benedictus means "blessed" (or well said : bene dictus)

Blessing, blessed, consider them as cousins.

Benedict is the equivalent of Benoit (St Benoit or St Benedict founded the Benedictin order);

Benedictine is a feminine form. But you can have Benedicte as well.

Like Clement, Clemence, Clementine, Clemenceau ( laugh )

Benedictus is the Latin translation of the Hebrew Baruch. Spinoza changed his name from Baruch to Benedictus.


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Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460210
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My last name is De Benedictis. Of the blessed, or something like that. it's a different case than the nominative Benedictus, because it is the object of the preposition, "De". Ablative plural, I believe.

I don't know if I am any relation to the composer of all the TV theme music, Dick De Benedictis (Matlock, etc.).


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Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460211
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Originally posted by pianodevo:
Valarking, care to share the name of the tape or CD of this piece? I've never eart "Benediction." Just decided to read through it very slowly, because of its title, and now am hooked to learn it -- nothing impossible technically in the piece, but as a whole it will be difficult for me.
I'm talking about the Benediction to God in Solitude you mentioned. Excellent piece.

Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460212
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"benedict" qui venit in nomine domine


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Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460213
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Jorge Bolet has a recording of it on:
Liszt: Piano Works Vol.6 London 411 803-2

My favorite one is Louis Kentner on an old 33 1/3 but I doubt if you could ever find it. I purchased it ages ago for $1.25 at a record store sale. It was on a Turnabout-Vox record.

I also have Alfred Brendel playing it on another 33 1/3. I may have been pressed later on a CD. I'm sure someone on this forum could tell you more about it.

This composition is my favorite one of all the pieces Liszt wrote. The last page moves me to tears.

David Dubal had a comparison program long before he had this current one back many years ago on the New York radion station WNCN (when it was still classical). When he was playing all the recordings of Liszt pieces and was up to the Benediction de Dieu, I recall him making the comment that he also thought it was Liszt's finest. He was playing a recording be Ernst Levy (if I recall properly). This was quite some time ago.

Another memorable performance I heard was by Jeffrey Siegal (spelling?) in Carnegie Hall.

Thanks Deus ex Pianoforte for you great translation. I'm copying it to keep with my score.

Zongora

Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460214
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I have recordings of this piece by Steven Osborne and Stephen Hough that I could upload if anyone wants?

Re: Help needed with French translation in Liszt's "Benediction" #460215
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I wish I could take credit for the translation, but I don't speak French wink Found the translation here, if anyone's interested:

frontpage.uk.digiserve.com/musicforpianos/


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