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Dvorak Piano Quintet in A op. 81 - tricky passages
#456784 11/17/06 12:23 AM
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Hey everyone -- it's been a while!
I'm playing this amazing quintet with my chamber group at NEC and it's been a lot of fun so far. We're just about through the first movement, and I've gotten by so far by kind of faking certain passages -- cutting out one hand to "turn the page" or simply just flat out playing something badly. It seems like the string players are scrutinized much more than I am, which I guess is understandable because there are four of them, and the coach is a violist. Anyway, I want to just master these passages now so I can stop stressing out about them. Unfortunately my edition doesn't have bar numbers (it's a problem during rehearsals..), so I'll do my best to describe the passages.

1) Section C in my edition, not sure if that's a standard marking or just in my edition. It's near the beginning -- fourth page -- and the strings are all holding high E's. Piano has descending E major broken inversions in both hands, 8th note triplets. Right before viola solo with piano accompaniment. I have a lot of trouble playing the left hand here. It's hard to reach across my body with my left hand... something about this passage just gives me so much trouble.

2) A couple pages later, during section D in my edition, the unison ascending major and minor third inversion things (horrible description), after the F sharp minor 8th note arpeggios and subsequent left hand half note octaves for 3 bars up to a D major chord. This passage kills me.

Describing the specific sections was harder than I thought. But if anyone familiar with the piece can figure out which sections I am referring to, any suggestions as to how to practice these parts would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks for the help!

-Ari

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Yeah, both of those passages were hard for me too. It's all about wrist movement - try to play the gestures with your fingers and more with your wrist turning your hand (like you're turning a doorknob). Just practice it slowly moving your left hand as much as possible, then decrease the movement as you near tempo. It's a pretty well-written piano part EXCEPT for those passages. Dvorak wasn't an exceptional pianist, so what we get is what we get.

A fake for the thirds is to just play the notes that fall on the quarter notes in your left hand. Bring out your right hand and no one will notice!

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Thanks a lot for the reply. I'll try that out now and let you know how it goes! It was either this or the Brahms -- maybe the Brahms is more "pianistic" throughout, but I think this was a safer bet for a first quintet.

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1. There are two simple ways to practise this:
- play the 4-note chords as block chords and practise until you can do them comfortably but firmly at the required speed
- practise as written but take as much time as you need between chords (this usually becomes no extra time at all quite soon but don't force it) make sure that the pairs are played as you would firm chords and that the rest of each figure is legato - the pairs do carry accents and that helps.

2. Each 3-note figure is not that difficult in itself. When practising, take as much time as you need between figures. This again will soon become no time at all. Again, don't rush the process.


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Thanks drumour, those sound like good ideas! I'll try them out!

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Pay special attention to the position of the piano bench. Make sure you are not so close to the keyboard that you have difficulty moving your arms across your body. Practicing chamber music can make you miss simple things like that, since it takes more room than you might think. Nothing much else fits in my living room when my quartet comes over.


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