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#451706 - 03/25/06 08:34 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Here is a revive for the project ..

Mov.2 File 2 Page 1: 405 notes

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#451707 - 03/26/06 12:48 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Oh no! Don't give up!
I had never thought of this before. Now I'm thinking that if one has a MIDI file of something, it would be handy to have a program showing the total notes for each instrument. Then one could fit some mathematical model to it, and prove how great these works are. smile

#451708 - 03/27/06 12:49 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Oh no! Don't give up!
I had never thought of this before. Now I'm thinking that if one has a MIDI file of something, it would be handy to have a program showing the total notes for each instrument. Then one could fit some mathematical model to it, and prove how great these works are. smile
Some loonies have done that with Bartok's music - I read about half of a book by Erno Lendvai about Bartok, and there is one page that is basically a list: if you count the total number of 8th notes in this particular piece, and you multiply times the golden section (0.618) you get THE 8th note which starts the recapitulation; if you count the total number of 8th notes in THIS piece, and you multiply times the golden section (0.618) you get THE 8th note which starts the recapitulation; etc.... for basically an entire page.

eek


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#451709 - 03/27/06 06:06 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. bah :p


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#451710 - 03/27/06 06:08 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. bah :p
Hey! I resent that!!!

:p


(I'm a musicology major)


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#451711 - 03/27/06 06:16 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Movement 2, File 2:

Page 2: 184
Page 3: 154
Page 4: 162
Page 5: 153
Page 6: 194
Page 7: 159
Page 8: 0
Page 9: 357
Page 10: 137

Whew.

(I'm studying musicology as well, by the way.)


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#451712 - 03/27/06 06:35 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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And:

Movement 3, File 1:

Page 1: 79
Page 2: 245
Page 5: 137
Page 6: 175
Page 7: 174
Page 8: 157
Page 9: 142
Page 10: 272

(Page 3 and 4 have already been counted, so I skipped those.)

Movement 3, File 1 is done. Only six more files to go.


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#451713 - 03/28/06 04:32 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Rach. 3 never ceases to amaze me.

Beauty in its purest sense, IMHO--'tis inspiration from the Highest.

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#451714 - 03/28/06 01:46 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Update:

Rachmaninov Concerto no. 3: note count

Movement 1:

File 1
Page 1: 38
Page 2: 94
Page 3: 83
Page 4: 135
Page 5: 146
Page 6: 139
Page 7: 252
Page 8: 227
Page 9: 228
Page 10: 233
Page 11: 80
Total of notes in File 1: 1655

File 2
Page 1 = 187
Page 2 = 301
Page 3 = 407
Page 4 = 287
Page 5 = 300
Page 6 = 300
Page 7 = 122
Page 8 = 96
Page 9 = 200
Page 10 = 167
Page 11 = 258

Total of notes in File 2: 2625
Total of notes in Files 1 and 2: 4280

File 3
Page 1 = 191
Page 2 = 225
Page 3 = 467
Page 4 = 302
Page 5 = 178
Page 6 = 141
Page 7 = 108
Page 8 = 171
Page 9 = 186
Page 10 = 177
Page 11 = 176

Total of notes in File 3: 2322
Total of notes in Files 1+3: 3977
Total of notes in Files 2+3: 4947
Total of notes in Files 1-3: 6602


File 4
Page 1 Standard: 186
Page 1 Ossia: 405 (?)
Page 2 Standard: 520
Page 2 Ossia: 922
Page 3: 1588
Page 4: 476
Page 5: 655 (?)
Page 6: 117
Page 7: 94
Page 8: 131
Page 9: 121
Page 10: 174

Total of notes in File 4(Normal version): 4062
Total of notes in File 4 (Ossia version): 4683


Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Normal version): 5717
Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Ossia version): 6338
Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Normal version): 6687
Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Ossia version): 7308
Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Normal version): 8342
Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Ossia version): 8963
Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Normal version): 6384
Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Ossia version): 7005
Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Normal version): 8039
Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Ossia version): 8660
Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Normal version): 9009
Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Ossia version): 9630
Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Normal version): 10664
Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Ossia version): 11285

Total of notes in Movement 1 (Normal version): 10664
Total of notes in Movement 1 (Ossia version): 11285


Movement 2:

File 1
Page 1 - 0
Page 2 - 0
Page 3 - 99
Page 4 ? 299
Page 5 - 453
Page 6 - 231
Page 7 - 179
Page 8 - 461
Page 9 - 285
Page 10 - 342
Page 11 - 408

Total of notes in File 1: 2757

File 2
Page 1: 405
Page 2: 184
Page 3: 154
Page 4: 162
Page 5: 153
Page 6: 194
Page 7: 159
Page 8: 0
Page 9: 357
Page 10: 137

Total of notes in File 2: 1905


Total of notes in Movement 2: 4662

Movement 3:

File 1
Page 1: 79
Page 2: 245
Page 3: 277
Page 4: 303
Page 5: 137
Page 6: 175
Page 7: 174
Page 8: 157
Page 9: 142
Page 10: 272

Total of notes in File 1: 1961

Current Score (Normal Version): 17287
Current Score (Ossia Version): 17928


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#451715 - 03/28/06 05:55 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Movement 3, File 7:

Pg. 1 - 45
Pg. 2 - 168
Pg. 3 - 153
Pg. 4 - 168
Pg. 5 - 178


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#451716 - 03/29/06 07:44 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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"alternativly if the Rach3 is on the classicarchive, da mart can code a script in exactly 30 seconds dat can count in 0.000001 sec the total notes of a selected intrument from a midi file.

This is the SDC intellect VS. The PW intellect" (dasdc.net)

#451717 - 03/29/06 08:00 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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I have the MIDI files. Show me the script and it's done.

Otherwise, let's keep counting, folks!


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#451718 - 03/31/06 05:51 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Quote
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Quote
Originally posted by Contrapunctus:
[b] Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. bah :p
Hey! I resent that!!!

:p


(I'm a musicology major) [/b]
Soory, I thought you were a piano major.


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#451719 - 04/02/06 12:43 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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[b]
Quote
Originally posted by Contrapunctus:
[b] Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. bah :p
Hey! I resent that!!!

:p


(I'm a musicology major) [/b]
Soory, I thought you were a piano major. [/b]
:p

(I'm just teasing you. wink )

I'm a music history major and piano principal - which basically gets all the benefits of being a piano major, but I don't have to prepare 4 pieces for a jury every semester (juries are optional for me), and I also get a musicology degree (instead of a performance degree)


Sam
#451720 - 04/02/06 02:31 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Everybody gave up :rolleyes: !


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#451721 - 04/05/06 12:01 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Wow. I'll never again claim that I'm bored. Seriously: learn a language or something! All you really need to say when someone asks how many notes are in Rach 3 is "more 'n you can shake a stick at"! Happy counting.


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#451722 - 04/07/06 02:26 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Might have been easier to use the file on www.piano.ru/library.html, as its the two piano reduction. Oh well.

#451723 - 04/07/06 08:50 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Probably not easier. Just less pages, but more notes per page.


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#451724 - 04/16/06 02:59 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Why is this still a sticky? We do nothing with it. This was the weirdest and most useless topic ever made... WHY DID I SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON IT?!?! smile smile laugh :p laugh laugh


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#451725 - 04/16/06 04:17 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Ok...

Movement 3, File 2:

Page 1: 347
Page 2: 350
Page 3: 286
Page 4: 235
Page 5: 307
Page 6: 89
Page 7: 0
Page 8: 0
Page 9: 204
Page 10: 314

Movement 3, File 3:

Page 1: 233
Page 2: 220
Page 3: 143
Page 4: 308
Page 5: 137
Page 6: 234
Page 7: 201
Page 8: 208
Page 9: 390
Page 10: 232


I have an ice cream. I cannot mail it, for it will melt.
#451726 - 04/16/06 05:12 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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see lol_nl .. there is hope

#451727 - 04/16/06 05:35 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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(If you count notes, it helps to think that you don't have anything better to do...)

Movement 3, File 4:

Page 1: 308
Page 2: 280
Page 3: 303
Page 4: 190
Page 5: 205
Page 6: 70
Page 7: 0
Page 8: 127
Page 9: 212
Page 10: 111

Movement 3, File 5:

Page 1: 108
Page 2: 167
Page 3: 154
Page 4: 177
Page 5: 161
Page 6: 116
Page 7: 224
Page 8: 201
Page 9: 169
Page 10: 211

Movement 3, File 6:

Page 1: 195
Page 2: 264
Page 3: 184
Page 4: 119
Page 5: 164
Page 6: 107
Page 7: 246
Page 8: 156
Page 9: 138
Page 10: 88
Page 11: 206

Movement 3, File 7:

Page 6: 246
Page 7: 266
Page 8: 280
Page 9: 118
Page 10: 163
Page 11: 164


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#451728 - 04/16/06 06:55 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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OK, the third movement is done, off to do some math:

Movement 3:
File 1: 1961
File 2: 2132
File 3: 2306
File 4: 1806
File 5: 1688
File 6: 1867
File 7: 1949

Movement 3 total: 13709

That makes:

Total notes in Movement 1 (normal cadenza): 10664
Total notes in Movement 1 (ossia cadenza): 11285
Total notes in Movement 2: 4662
Total notes in Movement 3: 13709


(Drumroll, please...)

Total notes (normal cadenza): 29035
Total notes (ossia cadenza): 29656


Whew. What now?


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#451729 - 04/17/06 08:09 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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no-one estimated it right :)at the beginning smile . And now we check with other sources smile .


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#451730 - 04/17/06 12:02 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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And btw, WELL DONE EVERYBODY smile !


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#451731 - 04/17/06 12:46 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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You could convert the sheet music to Midi format and let the software counts for you. laugh

#451732 - 04/17/06 02:31 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Congrats to everyone

Kreisler will be very pleased laugh

#451733 - 04/17/06 02:39 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#451734 - 04/17/06 02:48 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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I demand a recount.

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No recounts!

However, I do plan to count the notes in a MIDI file of the work I found.

I expect, though, that the MIDI file will contain many MORE notes than is correct - remember a MIDI file will count every note of a trill, so while we counted trills as 2 notes, a trill in a MIDI file could be anywhere from 4 to 100 notes depending on the length of the trill.

If the MIDI number is within a decent range, though, I'll call our project a smashing success!

Thanks to all who undertook the project, this was fun!

- K


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