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#451646 - 03/16/06 12:12 AM Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Okay gang, here's the deal. I've always wanted to know exactly how many notes there are in the third Rachmaninoff concerto.

So...I propose the following project:

We count the notes. (I'm serious)

When you have a few free minutes, pull out the score and count all the notes in a page, then post the page number and number of notes in this thread.

To keep everything regulated, let's all use the orchestral score at www.sheetmusicarchive.net

The rules:

You must count EVERY note except for ties. This includes grace notes. A trill between two notes counts as 2 notes. Two notes tied together counts as 1 note.


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#451647 - 03/16/06 12:13 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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I'll go first:

Page 1 = 38 notes


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#451648 - 03/16/06 12:14 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Page 2 = 94 notes


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#451649 - 03/16/06 12:15 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Page 3 = 83 notes


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#451650 - 03/16/06 12:16 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Page 4 = 135 notes


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#451651 - 03/16/06 12:16 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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This includes the orchestral parts as well, or just the piano?


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#451652 - 03/16/06 12:17 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Just the piano part.


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#451653 - 03/16/06 12:29 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Page 5 = 146 notes


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#451654 - 03/16/06 12:57 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Haha so we shall finally unravel the deep dark secrets of why Rach 3 is so famous after all


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#451655 - 03/16/06 01:04 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Haha, I should probably be practicing, but what the heck smile


Page 6 = 139


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#451656 - 03/16/06 01:15 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Page 7 = 252

887 Notes thus far....

#451657 - 03/16/06 01:35 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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There are 8,702 notes.


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#451658 - 03/16/06 02:27 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Ok now count another bombastic concerto to compare.


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#451659 - 03/16/06 02:35 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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There are 8,702 notes.
That sounds like an EXTREMELY low guess...especially considering there are 542 notes on page 65 (of Schirmer's) alone.

Doing some simple math (total notes in the 7 pages listed, plus my count of the *probably* highest-density page), taking the average notes per page to be 180, we find that there are approximately 14,220 notes in the concerto (Schirmer's is 79 pages).

Of course, now that I count, there are 885 notes on page 77 alone...so I'm sure that changes the average just a little. (Again, this is Schirmer's edition, not the sheet music archives.)

My guess is somewhere between 14,000 and 18,000.


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#451660 - 03/16/06 08:03 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Page 8 = 227

#451661 - 03/16/06 12:38 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Page 9 = 228
Page 10 = 233
Page 11 = 80

It looks like we're done with Mvmt. 1 File 1 now. There are 1655 notes in those 11 pages.


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#451662 - 03/16/06 12:51 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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EXCELLENT!

So...the first file is:

1,655 Notes.


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#451663 - 03/16/06 12:55 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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I was a bit bored, so I started on file 2:

Page 2.1 = 187

EDIT 2: Ah, now I see. It seems you counted the unison f in bar 3 as two notes while I counted it as one. I have updated my numbers accordingly.


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#451664 - 03/16/06 12:59 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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File 2, Page 1: 187


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#451665 - 03/16/06 01:13 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Page 2.2 = 301
Page 2.3 = 407
Page 2.4 = 287
Page 2.5 = 300

I think I'll stop now.


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#451666 - 03/16/06 03:54 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Or not.

Page 2.6 = 300
Page 2.7 = 122
Page 2.8 = 96
Page 2.9 = 200
Page 2.10 = 167
Page 2.11 = 258

I guess we're done with File 2 as well.

Total of pages in File 2: 2625
Overal total (Files 1 and 2): 4280

EDIT: Which cadenza shall we count? The one in big print, the ossia one, maybe both?


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#451667 - 03/16/06 04:19 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Hmm...let's do the one in big print!


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#451668 - 03/16/06 07:30 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Out of curiosity, for those of us keeping tabs who have different versions...which cadenza is the "one in big print"? I assume the slower, louder cadenza?


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#451669 - 03/16/06 07:57 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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We are using the edition shown on Sheetmusicarchives.net, Derulux.

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We are using the edition shown on Sheetmusicarchives.net, Derulux.
I know you are...but I don't feel like wasting my precious 2 downloads on downloading something I already have a copy of, which is why I asked. wink


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It's better to count the rests!

#451672 - 03/17/06 04:09 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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It's better to count the rests!
Remember the old commercial, "How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?"

Yeah...three. :p wink


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Yes, but if you don't count the rests carefully, you are liable to come in at the wrong time!

(hehehe) :p

#451674 - 03/17/06 05:18 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project  
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Do not hijack my thread.

This is serious business.

Less talk, more counting!


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Originally posted by Kreisler:
Do not hijack my thread.

This is serious business.

Less talk, more counting!
laugh

I shall claim these two pages of the third movement!

Movement 3 File 3 Page 3: 277
Movement 3 File 3 Page 4: 303

A calculator sure makes the job easier!


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