Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

What's Hot!!
Welcome PianoTV members!
---------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Fall 2017
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


Who's Online Now
116 registered members (akc42, ando, Adypiano, Almaviva, Anita Potter, amad23, 21 invisible), 1,391 guests, and 2 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#445488 - 01/05/08 05:25 PM Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 53
Liscio Offline
Full Member
Liscio  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 53
Do any of you know of any famous pianists/composers who suffered from performance anxiety? - (besides Horowitz)

Thanks ~

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#445489 - 01/05/08 05:34 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 13
Backle Offline
Junior Member
Backle  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 13
Florida, U.S.A.
According to Stephen Hough, Rachmaninoff was quite nervous when it came to performing.

#445490 - 01/05/08 05:53 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 25,624
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BDB  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 25,624
Oakland
Keith Jarrett's complaints about the piano are undoubted more to do with his stage fright than the piano. After all, who else cares that much. I suppose the same is true of Michaelangeli.

Henselt's stage fright was legendary.

A number of performers will take something before performing. I suspect that is why so many end up alcoholics or drug users. My favorite was Bobby Short, who stood at the stage doors, and announced "I think I need some more perfume!" and went back to his dressing room. He smelled very nice when he went out on the stage.


Semipro Tech
#445491 - 01/05/08 06:14 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,288
LiszThalberg Offline
3000 Post Club Member
LiszThalberg  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,288
Quote
Originally posted by Backle:
According to Stephen Hough, Rachmaninoff was quite nervous when it came to performing.
Yep, he had to be pushed on stage at times.

(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#445492 - 01/05/08 06:26 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,921
-Frycek Offline
5000 Post Club Member
-Frycek  Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,921
SC Mountains
Chopin - he was notorious. He loved playing for small intimate groups where those who were really interested would draw near the piano and those who were not simply carried on - the family and social atmosphere in which he'd played from childhood, but get him in front of a paying audience and it was a totally different story. He felt suffocated by their eyes and their breath. He couldn't breathe. He agonized for weeks before a concert. After a public performance he was so emotionally and physically drained that he retreated for weeks afterwards. George Sand once said in exasperation that he'd only be happy playing in a totally dark hall on a totally muted piano.


Slow down and do it right.
[Linked Image]
#445493 - 01/05/08 06:50 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,733
Janus K. Sachs Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Janus K. Sachs  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,733
Betelgeuse, baby!
Well, there's always Glenn Gould -- though one can argue whether it was stage fright or audience hate.


Die Krebs gehn zurücke,
Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke,
Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

Die Predigt hat g'fallen.
Sie bleiben wie alle.
#445494 - 01/05/08 07:48 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,506
AndrewG Offline
2000 Post Club Member
AndrewG  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,506
Denver, Colorado
V. Horowitz often experienced exceedingly bad bouts of nerves before stepping out on the stage.

#445495 - 01/05/08 09:31 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 13
Backle Offline
Junior Member
Backle  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 13
Florida, U.S.A.
Quote
Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
Well, there's always Glenn Gould -- though one can argue whether it was stage fright or audience hate.
In a 1958 interview with Hugh Thomson, Glenn Gould himself said that he was fortunate that he did not succumb to nervous tensions.

Straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, that seems to imply quite strongly that it was indeed the latter.

#445496 - 01/06/08 02:48 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 12
GlennGouldGirl Offline
Junior Member
GlennGouldGirl  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 12
Granby,MA
Quote
Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
Well, there's always Glenn Gould -- though one can argue whether it was stage fright or audience hate.
No, Glenn was legimately anxious. He took medication for it. I experience the same shock when I get on stage. It is due to a solitary lifestyle, as was his.

#445497 - 01/06/08 02:55 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,733
Janus K. Sachs Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Janus K. Sachs  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,733
Betelgeuse, baby!
Quote
Originally posted by GlennGouldGirl:
Quote
Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
[b] Well, there's always Glenn Gould -- though one can argue whether it was stage fright or audience hate.
No, Glenn was legimately anxious. He took medication for it. I experience the same shock when I get on stage. It is due to a solitary lifestyle, as was his. [/b]
I'll defer to your judgment, since I am not a Gould scholar by any means. But I do want to say that that, in my book, the two reasons I gave are equally "legitimate," and may be even related in certain individuals (though I am not saying that Gould was one of these).


Die Krebs gehn zurücke,
Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke,
Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

Die Predigt hat g'fallen.
Sie bleiben wie alle.
#445498 - 01/06/08 03:21 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 515
yok Offline
500 Post Club Member
yok  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 515
New Zealand
Quote
Henselt's stage fright was legendary.
A possibly apocryphal story has it that Henselt, when playing concertos with a long orchestral introduction, would rush on stage just before the first piano entry, such was his discomfort on stage.

Among contemporary pianists, Stephen Kovacevich is well known as a nervous performer. I have only heard him in concert once, in the Beethoven C major concerto and he was certainly quite fidgety to begin with. He fiddled a lot with the cushion on top of his very low stool before finally removing it somewhere in the middle of the first movement. He really only seemed to get fully focused by the cadenza (he played the very weird Beethoven one.)

#445499 - 01/06/08 03:39 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,373
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,373
Pacific Northwest, US.
Quote
Originally posted by yok:
A possibly apocryphal story has it that Henselt, when playing concertos with a long orchestral introduction, would rush on stage just before the first piano entry, such was his discomfort on stage.
And reportedly, he once forgot to remove his cigar before rushing out! (Isn't Schonberg's "The Great Pianists" a treasure trove of cool stuff?)
Quote
Among contemporary pianists, Stephen Kovacevich is well known as a nervous performer.
Martha Argerich, when turning pages for him in a chamber recital said: "I can hear the beatings of your heart!"


Jason
#445500 - 01/06/08 03:57 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,480
Bassio Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Bassio  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,480
Alexandria, Egypt
Quote
Originally posted by Backle:
According to Stephen Hough, Rachmaninoff was quite nervous when it came to performing.
On the contrary Backle.

Although he had a rather introvert and shy personality, (from the anecdotes I read about him) he was very confident on stage.

Do you remember the anecdote when he played with Kreisler .. the "Where are we?" thing.

I also read of an anecdote in which he comforted a very nervous vocalist during a performance together.

But of course, nothing is guaranteed.
Anyone here saw Rachmaninoff in concert?

#445501 - 01/06/08 05:05 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 13
Backle Offline
Junior Member
Backle  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 13
Florida, U.S.A.
Quote
Originally posted by Bassio:
Quote
Originally posted by Backle:
[b] According to Stephen Hough, Rachmaninoff was quite nervous when it came to performing.
On the contrary Backle.

Although he had a rather introvert and shy personality, (from the anecdotes I read about him) he was very confident on stage.

Do you remember the anecdote when he played with Kreisler .. the "Where are we?" thing.

I also read of an anecdote in which he comforted a very nervous vocalist during a performance together.

But of course, nothing is guaranteed.
Anyone here saw Rachmaninoff in concert? [/b]
I do indeed understand the logic behind that and I don't even necessarily disagree. I'd imagine it would be incredibly difficult to disagree when I have no real sources to substantiate my argument, after all. Apparently Stephen Hough does, though. I would recommend you talk to him, rather than kill the poor messenger that brought the unfavorable news, so to speak. :p

#445502 - 01/07/08 05:41 AM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 395
Robert Kenessy Offline
Full Member
Robert Kenessy  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 395
Enebyberg Sweden
Does Helene Grimaud have stage fright or is there another reason she canceled concerts so often (in the mid '90 at least), preferably at the last minute?


Robert Kenessy

.. it seems to me that the inherent nature [of the piano tone] becomes really expressive only by means of the present tendency to use the piano as a percussion instrument - Béla Bartók, early 1927.
#445503 - 01/07/08 07:12 AM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,506
AndrewG Offline
2000 Post Club Member
AndrewG  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,506
Denver, Colorado
Argerich cancelled more concerts than she performed due to her health problems then. I have not heard anything regarding the nerve issue.

#445504 - 01/07/08 01:33 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,733
Janus K. Sachs Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Janus K. Sachs  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,733
Betelgeuse, baby!
Quote
Originally posted by argerichfan:
Martha Argerich, when turning pages for him [i.e. Kovacevich] in a chamber recital said: "I can hear the beatings of your heart!"
Given their history, isn't that just flirting? laugh


Die Krebs gehn zurücke,
Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke,
Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

Die Predigt hat g'fallen.
Sie bleiben wie alle.
#445505 - 01/07/08 02:12 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 658
epf Offline
500 Post Club Member
epf  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 658
Central Texas
Quote
Originally posted by Bassio:
Anyone here saw Rachmaninoff in concert?
Although I never saw Rachmaninoff in concert, my father did and loved to tell two stories about it. First, he apparently strolled onto the stage, sat down and immediately started playing -- no pause, no setting up, he just played, and played, and played. At the end the people were applauding and calling for an encore. He finally agreed and played a piece that, by that time in his life, he hated: his own Prelude in C-sharp minor.

Ed


"...a man ... should engage himself with the causes of the harmonious combination of sounds, and with the composition of music." Anatolius of Alexandria
[Linked Image]
YouTube Channel
#445506 - 01/07/08 02:21 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 310
C H O P I N Offline
Full Member
C H O P I N  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 310
England
Just wondering, how can all of these pianists perform so well, if under such nervous conditions? - I know when i'm nervous, my hands tend to shake.... How do they manage the accuracy they still acheive?

C H O P I N


"I Think Therefore I Am." - Rene Descartes
#445507 - 01/07/08 06:41 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 50
Lento Offline
Full Member
Lento  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 50
Canada
Quote
Originally posted by C H O P I N:
Just wondering, how can all of these pianists perform so well, if under such nervous conditions? - I know when i'm nervous, my hands tend to shake.... How do they manage the accuracy they still acheive?
I'd say it's pretty subjective. Nervous for one person might mean their heart beating a little faster, and another might be trembling all over their body :p

#445508 - 01/07/08 09:09 PM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,935
wr Offline
8000 Post Club Member
wr  Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,935
Quote
Originally posted by C H O P I N:
Just wondering, how can all of these pianists perform so well, if under such nervous conditions? - I know when i'm nervous, my hands tend to shake.... How do they manage the accuracy they still acheive?

C H O P I N
They know what they are playing so well and have it so totally in their muscle memory that they could (as I once heard Artur Pizarro put it) play the music while in a coma. I remember the first experience I had in which I was so nervous I was shaking; I really wasn't sure I could run that stupid black machine, but you know, it's surprising what you can do when you REALLY know the music. Oddly, the worst part of it wasn't my shaking hands, but that my knees went weak, which made pedalling sort of iffy. But, you just keep going, and it wears off. Then the next thing that happens is that you have to fight having your mind wander. Come to think of it, since it's such a horrifying and unpleasant experience, why anyone actually gets in front of an audience and plays is a mystery. :-)

#445509 - 01/08/08 12:14 AM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 268
timbo77 Offline
Full Member
timbo77  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 268
Singapore
Rachmaninoff was often nervous before performance -- his cousin, Sofia Satina, confirmed this. Once he was on stage, that was another matter. Shura Cherkassky described his appearance on stage and performance as almost Mephistophelean, made all the more so by his imposing height and a slight limp.

(The oft-cited anecdote about Rachmaninoff and Kreisler on stage is fictitious: they never played together in public.)

#445510 - 01/08/08 12:15 AM Re: Famous performers with stage fright  
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 516
1RC Offline
500 Post Club Member
1RC  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 516
Alberta
Quote
Originally posted by wr:
Come to think of it, since it's such a horrifying and unpleasant experience, why anyone actually gets in front of an audience and plays is a mystery. :-)
Somehow, I never feel so alive as when I feel like I'm going to die laugh I'll never forget that time I (stupidly) climbed a cliff without any kind of safety gear, it wouldn't have been too hard to fall to my death... What a rush!


Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
CLEARANCE SPECIALS!
Save Big In our online store now

In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World)
our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, Digital Piano Dolly, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping* on Jansen Artist Piano Benches, Cocoweb Piano Lamps, Hidrau Hydraulic Piano Benches
(*free shipping within contiguous U.S. only)
(ad)
SummerKeys
Maine Coast Music Vacation for Adults
(ad)
Pearl River & Ritmuller
Pearl River Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq 6 Out now
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Data logging thermometer/hygromet
er?

by heavypiano. 01/22/18 10:08 AM
Interesting eBay / CL finds
by Colin Dunn. 01/22/18 05:40 AM
Amateur piano competition
by Kenny Cheng. 01/21/18 10:22 PM
What's happening with Keith Jarrett?
by Dfrankjazz. 01/21/18 09:22 PM
What are some sites that sell used piano in europe?
by James Guo. 01/21/18 08:21 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics183,907
Posts2,689,433
Members89,491
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Click Here to
Explore The Rest of Piano World!!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2018 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0