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Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444564
11/15/06 04:27 AM
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She's not my favourite pianist: I particularly don't like her rendition of the Chopin mazurkas. However if I had half her technique I'd be happy.

I was just looking at her website:
http://www.idilbiret.org/ENG/IBe13.htm

It suggests that there has been an ongoing conspiracy against her. Does anyone give credence to this, or is it just ravings? I would have thought it'd have to be true in order not to invite a lawsuit.

So is there a mafia in the dark underbelly of the world of professional pianism? confused

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Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444565
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There is a mafia in the dark underbelly of most professional pianists.


"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

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Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444566
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hehe, interesting~

Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444567
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Conspiracy? What kind of conspiracy? whome

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Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444568
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Conspiracy? What kind of conspiracy? whome
For instance, it says:

"Similar to the efforts made to stop her recording for EMI the Beethoven Symphonies [see «The Making of the Beethoven/Liszt Symphonies»], negative reactions started when it was known that she was now recording Chopin's complete works for Naxos"

It also suggests that when she is to appear at a concert other artists pull out.

Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444569
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I think there is a real and unjustified snobbishness about the 'bargain budget' NAXOS label. Unfortunately pianists associated with the label can sometimes suffer. Jando gets a certain amount of this too. Biret and Jando are also pianists with a big repertoire and are sadly regarded with suspicion on this score too in an age of pigeonholing and niche marketing.

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Jando's Naxos recordings are great though - I don't see why people get riled up about it....as long as the playing or music doesn't suffer I don't care how many releases a pianist makes nor on what label.

Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444571
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I heard one or two live concerts by Biret a few summers ago at the Mannes International Keyboard Festival. I thought she was sensational and the audience which was filled with conservatory pianists agreed.

Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444572
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Or maybe she makes that up to say It's not my fault they tried to stop me? laugh

Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444573
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I just heard her play schubert 90/2 with the RH/LH parts switched. I didn't know anyone had done this. It seems like a nice study for the left hand.

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I have her recordings of Nocturnes and Preludes. I initially thought she was great. I'd be thrilled to be able to play as well. That said, I then purchased Barenboim's Nocturnes and was blown away by the difference.


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Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444575
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It strikes me that the author of the article was only groping about trying to make mysteries out of a very few odd events and coincidences. The sly often use innuendo when they lack for evidence.


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Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444576
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Teachum - I too am a fan of Barenboim's rendition of Chopin's Nocturnes. He plays with such gentle compassion - you can just tell by listening that he's a man who has deep experience of life.

Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444577
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I was just reading a book by Penny Rimbaud (a former Crass band member) on media control and how the governmental/political/'underground mofia' control and many other things has media possibilities at its their feet. He says (and firmly believes, which I personally can't trust due to his years of studio time) that the heads of the media world and recording world encourage, promote, sponser and sell mediocre art for several reasons. One, mediocre art keeps people content but not inspired - a world of inspired people would be un-american. It would also cause independent thought, perhaps rioting smile . This is an explanation of your Hillary Duffs (obviously a mediocre talent), your American Idols (a mediocre show which acts as a shepard of the herd - you) your Howard Shores smile (teasing you guys), and your Lang Langs (please don't get started about him). The point is, there is a lot of unnessesary programming control and artistic oppression going on in every corner of music. They also discourage independent art labels, or buy them out. That (among many other things) is why you'll never see a Musician Showcase or Cambria Artistica album on Arkiv.com. You either are thrown into the record label world (Kissin), or you rise from the undergrounds until your sold. And they still have their own control over you (Biret). I know plenty of people who deserve a contract, and plenty who don't smile . It's the ebb and flow of the arts!

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Re: Idil Biret - conspiracy theory? #444578
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interesting theory, L'echange. maybe i should launch my private investigation into this...

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Conspiracy theories are virtually never true. Sure, there are elements of validity in them, but it's always just how the real world works and not some guys in green suits pulling the strings.

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