Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Piano Tuning
How to Tune Pianos
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
4th Finger Enigma Resolved!
Schumann's 4th Finger Enigma Resolved!
Who's Online Now
111 registered members (anotherscott, 36251, accordeur, AlphaTerminus, amad23, Agent88, 31 invisible), 1,936 guests, and 2 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#440876 - 03/10/08 01:48 PM Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 113
ChopinChamp Offline
Full Member
ChopinChamp  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 113
My teacher says I dont pedal clean. Does anyone have any tips on pedalling besides following the pedal marks on the music? (since some doesnt have it so I wanna know when to pedal on my own)


Currently Working:
Brahms: Intermezzo Op.119 no.3 in C

Currently Polishing:
Chopin Fantasie-Impromptu Op. 66
(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#440877 - 03/10/08 01:59 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,654
Phlebas Offline
Phlebas  Offline


Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,654
New York City
What does your teacher suggest?
Pedalling is 99% listening.

#440878 - 03/10/08 03:33 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 20,729
BruceD Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BruceD  Offline

Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 20,729
Victoria, BC
Explaining good and efficient pedalling is so much easier in person at a piano than trying to do it via text.

As Phlebas observed, most of good pedalling comes from good listening combined with a thorough knowledge of performance styles of various periods/composers. For example; use pedal sparingly in Mozart mainly to give colour rather than to aid in creating legato where scalar passages should always be clean and clear. A similar scalar or even chromatic passage in Chopin might require pedal to create a certain overlapping effect of tones. In Debussy, chords and notes often are meant to overlap to create shimmering or hazy impressions.

So, not only do you have to learn to listen, you have to know what to listen for and how the damper pedal can aid in creating that effect.

Much of pedalling is intuitive; there are some pianists who need little instruction on how to pedal and there are some - in my listening experiences - who just never seem to get it in spite of their teacher's efforts.

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
#440879 - 03/10/08 03:43 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 113
ChopinChamp Offline
Full Member
ChopinChamp  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 113
My teacher tells me about how you have to pay attention to the chords. When the chords change you have to clear the pedal.. The advice you guys gave is great though. Ill just have to listen, and Im glad you mentioned the Chopin and chromatics, because me it sounded good, but my teacher told me NEVER to pedal scales and runs... So I just have to start listening more I guess...


Currently Working:
Brahms: Intermezzo Op.119 no.3 in C

Currently Polishing:
Chopin Fantasie-Impromptu Op. 66
(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#440880 - 03/10/08 03:56 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 25,427
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BDB  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 25,427
Oakland
Start without pedaling, even if you feel you absolutely must pedal. Then add it, using as little as possible. It is easier to use more than less.

Keep both feet by the pedals. Be ready to use the sostenuto pedal instead of the damper pedal, if you have it.


Semipro Tech
#440881 - 03/10/08 04:13 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 658
epf Offline
500 Post Club Member
epf  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 658
Central Texas
One other thing to point out: since pedaling is about listening, realize that it may change in different settings. What doesn't seem to blur notes in a large hall might in a smaller setting. Critical listening is very, very important.

Ed


"...a man ... should engage himself with the causes of the harmonious combination of sounds, and with the composition of music." Anatolius of Alexandria
[Linked Image]
YouTube Channel
#440882 - 03/10/08 04:30 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 19,862
apple* Offline
apple*  Offline


Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 19,862
Kansas
i would give myself a little pedalling exercise.

practice depressing the pedal at the exact same time the note (or a chord) sounds... note after note.

then practice depressing the pedal right before the note sounds.. note after note

then practice depressing the pedal right after the note sounds.. note after note

then practice depressing the pedal at the same time the note sounds, but only 1/4 or so the way down, note after note

learn to hear how the note (or chord) sounds with these different techniques..

it took me quite some time to be able to learn to bring my foot down at the exact same time as my fingers.

it also took me quite some time to pay attention to how long the pedalling lasts.. when it ends which is very important.

it's a skill


accompanist/organist.. a non-MTNA teacher to a few

love and peace, ├Ľun (apple in Estonian)
#440883 - 03/10/08 04:58 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 199
frida1 Offline
Full Member
frida1  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 199
Pacific Northwest
As I become a better pianist, I find I want to use the pedal in a different way. Try depressing the pedal only a quarter or halfway down. This allows you to use it more frequently without getting muddy.

#440884 - 03/10/08 09:33 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 39
Guendola Offline
Full Member
Guendola  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 39
Don't only listen to yourself. Check videos on places like youtube to find out how others (not necessarily the great ones) play it and how that sounds. Like that you will develop more sensitivity to what is possible and THEN it is time to listen to your pedaling again.

#440885 - 03/11/08 04:37 PM Re: Sloppy Pedalling  
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,302
Jan-Erik Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Jan-Erik  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,302
Finland
Have the pedal properly regulated!

But there are various opinions on what is correct adjustment: IMO htgere should be very little free movement, and the full of rising of the dampers should require only about 1 inch of pressing the pedal.

Many uprights have a sloppy sustain pedal mechanism, making it necessary to keep the pedal continuosly slightly pressed for obtaining fast pedal shifts.

Some pedals are so high above the floor that the ergonomy is suffering.

But it is anyhow much easier to adapt to different pedal feels than to different action feels.


Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World)
our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, Digital Piano Dolly, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping* on Jansen Artist Piano Benches, Cocoweb Piano Lamps, Hidrau Hydraulic Piano Benches
(*free shipping within contiguous U.S. only)
(ad)
Pearl River & Ritmuller
Ritmuller Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq 6 Out now
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


New Topics - Multiple Forums
Volume level in videos
by Dennis in Canada. 10/22/17 07:46 PM
What to do?
by johnnyboypiano. 10/22/17 07:40 PM
Mason & Hamlin and Grotrian
by Duke of Dunning. 10/22/17 07:32 PM
Yamaha DGX-660 vs. KORG Havian 30?
by Piano Master 757. 10/22/17 07:26 PM
PC speaker sounds better than monitor
by EVC2017. 10/22/17 07:02 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics182,434
Posts2,666,511
Members89,024
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Click Here to
Explore The Rest of Piano World!!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0