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Scriabin: Etude op. 8 no. 12 in D-sharp minor (opening)
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I will be performing this etude among other works for my senior recital. I'm still not sure how the opening ought to be. It could open bodly as is often done (Horowitz) but because the melodic motif ascends sequentially, one might favor starting at a softer dynamic level, allowing the motif to evolve. After listening to several recordings, I've heard both interpretations. My teacher favors starting big, but told me it's up to me, and whatever i decide I need to "sell it", or convince the audience and not opt for something "in between." I'm not sure, any thoughts? I'd appreciate feedback. =)

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My only thought is that I have hated every performance that starts significantly different than Horowitz. wink


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I hear yah Derulux. Though his performance in Moscow is loaded with wrong notes, it has so much intensity and energy...i love it! But is his performance "definitive?" smile

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Mybe you should play your teacher the horowitz recording, then see what he thinks. Id go with a quieter intro (if I could actually play it that is).

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Not necessarily definitive, but I find a quieter entrance to sound weaker. I appreciate sound in this etude, and definition among the D's, and the quieter entrances I've heard just don't provide it. Some other performances where the opening is good include Kissin and Lang Lang (the latter on the same CD as his 2002 Rach 3 at the Proms).


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Bruce-san, my teacher is familiar with Horowitz' recording. If my teacher played this etude he said he'd play the intro (1st measure) big and then come come down a bit when the theme enters so it has somewhere to go dynamically when the motif ascends. Before the firery etude i've programmed 2 Scriabin Preludes which are completely opposite in character. Because of this, i'm thinking that i should start the etude big to highlight the changes in mood. I need to decide quick. Thanks for your response I appreciate it!

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Derulux, I just listened to Lang Lang's performance on Amazon. I like it very much! TWasn't able to find Kissin's recording yet. Thanks for suggestions!

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Easy, depends on what you play before it..

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My only thought is that I have hated every performance that starts significantly different than Horowitz. wink
Well even Horowitz experimented with the opening. There are a few recordings where he starts soft and others where he begins at FF - they all sound good.

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[b] My only thought is that I have hated every performance that starts significantly different than Horowitz. wink
Well even Horowitz experimented with the opening. There are a few recordings where he starts soft and others where he begins at FF - they all sound good. [/b]
*dies of a heart attack* You mean, Horowitz didn't play it the same way twice? :p

I've actually never heard a recording of Horowitz playing the opening of that piece softly. It would be interesting to hear. (The four that I have all start loud.) You wouldn't happen to know where I could find one, would you? smile


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I think you should play the opening open bodly, like is often done.


I really like the way Kissin plays this Etude; I like it even more than most of the recordings of Horowitz playing this Etude!


Here a recording of Kissin playing Scriabin's Etude Op. 8 No. 12, Live in Amsterdam: http://rapidshare.de/files/10982554...sin_Amsterdam_15_December_2002_.mp3.html


I just love that recording!

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thanks xire for the link! =)

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[b] My only thought is that I have hated every performance that starts significantly different than Horowitz. wink
Well even Horowitz experimented with the opening. There are a few recordings where he starts soft and others where he begins at FF - they all sound good. [/b]
*dies of a heart attack* You mean, Horowitz didn't play it the same way twice? :p

I've actually never heard a recording of Horowitz playing the opening of that piece softly. It would be interesting to hear. (The four that I have all start loud.) You wouldn't happen to know where I could find one, would you? smile [/b]
Yes, Horowitz starts the Etude very gently in the "Horowitz in Moscow" DVD here.

In the manuscript of the d# minor Etude, Scriabin indicated an fp over the second left hand d# octave. However, he deleted it from the first edition.

In my opinion you just can't beat Horowitz's earlier ff versions.

I once saw him play it live in Carnegie Hall.

dan


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